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Offline sportyworty

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Rare 1968
« on: May 24, 2017, 09:53:40 am »
If this car is truly an R code it would be 1 of the 16 midsize convertibles produced for the 428 CJ introduction April 1.
14 Torino GT
2 Montego MX

First one I have seen available in over 20 yrs. Rare as they come in the 68 R code world 8)

http://www.racingjunk.com/Complete-Race-Cars/182887706/1968-Torino-500-Indy-Pace-Car-Convertible-1-of-2-built.html
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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2017, 02:10:58 pm »
How did the heavier midsized Cobra Jets compete ET wise with the 68.5 Mustangs and how much heavier were they? 

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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2017, 05:04:29 pm »
     They didn't compete in the same class as the Mustangs. In Stock Eliminator, CJ Mustangs (at least 69/70's) fell into Classes C or D. This guys listing said this one ran in E. I'm sure the full size weighed more per cubic inch so they got to run in a class of similar weight to horse power rated cars. Due to how the weight breaks worked out. I believe that it is entirely possible for a well sorted out 4 banger Pinto to win Stock Eliminator vs. a Hemi Cuda. The Pinto would get a huge head start.
     All of that aside, I think that the car as presented is on the low side. Never street driven, no snow, only raced. I think that Sporty is dead on this as a pretty rare example. How the market set it's value it will be interesting.
Grant
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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2017, 08:01:56 pm »
Cool car.  The owner seems pretty sure it's "real"...too bad he didn't just list the VIN, or at least a partial.  Getting it back to it's original condition would probably have some part-finding challenges...

How did the heavier midsized Cobra Jets compete ET wise with the 68.5 Mustangs and how much heavier were they? 

From the NHRA specs, a '68-1/2 CJ Torino races "Stock" at a 3548# minimum weight, while a '68-1/2 CJ Mustang races "Stock" at a 3267# minimum weight...so the Torino is about 275# heavier.  Of course the convertibles of either car probably add another 100#.  Interestingly, a 68-1/2 Cougar CJ races "Stock" at 3599# minimum, even heavier than the Torino.  Clearly, at 275# lighter, as a "Stocker" on slicks, the Mustang is going to be quicker and will run in a higher class.

On street tires the difference wasn't as great as one might think.  Being all about traction, and the Torino having better weight distribution, I'd expect other differences (all things never being equal) were more important than vehicle weight.  My 68-1/2 Mustang was quicker on F70-14s with a full tank of gas and a small toolbox and spare tire in the trunk than without, indicating that well-placed weight can be an advantage under certain conditions.  In a twist, because of the extra weight, 4.30s in a Torino on F70-14s were more workable than 4.30s in a Mustang on F70-14s, so that could also maybe cancel some of the weight advantage of the Mustang.

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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2017, 10:44:41 pm »
I remember seeing this car being race by Ed Merkle at the Summernationals back in the early '80's. The modifications fooled me as I thought it was a 1969.

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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2017, 02:43:56 am »
Here's a pic I found of it when owned by the previous owner. The vin is 8h43r150631
1970 Mach 1 428 SCJ Grabber Green
1970 Boss 302 Bright Gold Metallic
1970 Boss 302 Grabber Orange original paint

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'70 Boss 302/428 CJ Cougar Eliminator

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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2017, 08:45:06 am »
Gorgeous when new and a sleeper with no hood scoop.
Good to know that 2 of the 16 Midsize were Pace cars.
This pic is one of the 68 Pace cars with a 390 and 4 speed.
Shame Bunkie got the only 4 speed midsize 68 R code made.
Love to find the single 4 door Montego produced. I bet it is sitting somewhere minus drive line. Unknown for what it once was..
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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2017, 12:53:45 pm »
Love to find the single 4 door Montego produced. I bet it is sitting somewhere minus drive line. Unknown for what it once was..

It is probably sitting in your driveway in the form of imported steel by now. ;)
Jim

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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2017, 03:06:11 pm »
     Or rebar from Nucor.
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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2017, 10:04:30 am »
a boy can dream....

here is another rare 68....
Fullsize P code Mercury Parklane big brother to the Q code. All 1968 428 cars built after the April 1 CJ launch came with starter delay relays.

This is the identical car to one of the Hawaii 5-0 series cars
"Book em Dano"

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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2017, 02:18:40 am »
Chris, I believe "big" Ed merkle won the summer nationals in the black mercury montego. I saw the montego at island Dragway about 10 years ago, driven by ed's older son. Can't remember his name. It was street driven and had a NJ vanity plate that said "merkle". I said to him that the car belonged in a museum and his reply was that they were meant to be driven. Ed helped me with my slapper bars when I first started drag racing. A really nice guy who died too young.

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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2017, 02:23:01 am »
And iirc the montego was not an original r code car.

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Re: Rare 1968
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2017, 08:43:57 pm »
Found this pic from The Sandy Elliot Mercury ford dealership. 68 R code 2 dr comet,... the car still lives here in southern Ontario.