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Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« on: July 15, 2017, 03:41:50 pm »
I am installing a new Hurst shifter for my 69 with a toploader.  There were no instructions in any of the boxes, and that shifter isn't listed on the Hurst wed site downloadable instruction PDFs.  I've done them before, and I remember about keeping the plastic "key" holding all levers in the neutral position and then gettting the shifter rods to the right length and attaching them. 

The part I don't remember and need help with is adjusting the shifter stops in 3rd and 4th.  Can one of you email me a set of instructions, or briefly explain the process please?
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 07:18:13 pm »
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 12:50:27 am »
Thanks for the responses.  I got it.  Man that front one is hard to get to when in the car!
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 09:03:09 am »
Jeff after you've had a chance to give the Hurst Comp. Plus shifter a work out would you share your thoughts and impressions ?  I am guessing you are replacing the stock CJ four speed shifter ?  Thanks Brian
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2017, 01:16:47 pm »
Actually Brian, I'm replacing the Hurst Competition Plus that was in my car when I bought it in 2010.

My problem since owning the car was it would get stuck between gears, and then I'd have to pull over, then tap the shifter rods until they lined up in the neutral position, then I could get it in gear again and continue driving.  I had taken it completely taken it apart and cleaned everything, put fresh grease on it, and that didn't help.  After comparing the old with the new, the old one is just worn out.  The new one is nice and tight, where the old one has a lot of play.

Hurst does offer a rebuild service through another party (I think a former employee), and I plan to send the old one to them soon to see if it is salvageable.  Their turn around time per the web site is 6-8 weeks if I remember, and I don't want to wait that long during parade, cruise, and car show season.

Another problem my car has had since I got it and still remains after installing a new shifter is down shifting.  For some reason, I can't downshift until I'm going 15 mph or slower.  This is with the old and the new shifter, so I think this problem isn't the shifter. 
 
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 02:58:31 pm »
No help here.  Couple of questions that may help with the diagnosis ?  Are you using the same rods and tabs on both shifters ?  When down shifting if you pause in the neutral gate,while double clutching, will it go into the lower gear ?  Brian
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 03:21:22 pm »
I am using the same rods.  They didn't appear to be worn.  I don't believe I've tried your second suggestion yet Brian.  If the "Honey Do" list doesn't grow more for today, I may give it a shot this evening.
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 05:08:12 pm »
I think if you can verify that the rods and tabs are correct or incorrect would be a step in the right direction.    Brian
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 09:57:27 pm »
Hi Jeff,

Here's a scan of the instruction sheet for your shifter. My scanner's kinda small so it cut off the top but you should be able to get the info you need ( If not, I'll try and scan it at work ....)

As for your downshifting issue, when you downshift, the syncro's in the transmission won't let the transmission move into the lower gear till the gear, the countershaft gear, the input shaft, and the clutch disc have all sped up to the appropriate speed for the lower gear. Since the input shaft and clutch disc are a lot heavier than in a small block application, it either takes more time or more force to get the transmission to downshift. I guess what I'm trying to say is that 428 CJ's don't like to downshift ....  Ist I'd make sure your clutch is adjusted properly, if it is, you could have a syncro issue in the trans or it might be normal, you should try and drive another CJ car before tearing into your transmission.
Just FYI, for the same reason stock CJ toploaders don't like to upshift much over 6000 rpm without some modifications.

Hope this helps, John
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 09:33:22 am »
Downshifting...Does it grind or just not go into gear? Is the problem in all gears,3,2,1? If no grind and all gears,IMO,your clutch is hanging up.

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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 12:08:14 pm »
Downshifting...Does it grind or just not go into gear? Is the problem in all gears,3,2,1? If no grind and all gears,IMO,your clutch is hanging up.

No grinding.  Just won't go down into a lower gear.
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2017, 07:38:16 pm »
After some further investigation, the GL-4 synthetic gear oil might be the reason for the downshift issue.  I have no idea what the previous owner(s) used.  The front end is up on ramps as I type with the synthetic draining out from the bottom center tailshaft  bolt hole.  I will refill with Driven GL-4 conventional gear oil tonight or tomorrow and see if that resolves the problem.  I'll post results.
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2017, 07:44:17 pm »
Put the GL-4 conventional in this morning and went for a fairly long (50 miles or so) test drive.  No change.  I can shift up no problem, but can still only go down to 1st gear if I'm going slow enough.  I think I will check the clutch adjustment tomorrow.  I haven't checked that since installing the engine a couple years ago.
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Re: Hurst Competition Plus Shifter instructions
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2017, 12:14:22 pm »
Thinking about your down shift issue and came up with a Sunday morning wacky thought.  Disconnect the shift rod or rods, your choice, from the trans case.  With the car in the air, a hoist would be ideal, get it started and going, in gear, and try shifting up and down by hand using the case's shift lugs ?  Will take two people and may be a bit nutty/dangerous ?  The only way I can think of to check the trans, in a running car, without the shifter ?  Brian 
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