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Discussion => Lost and Found => Topic started by: Karguy on September 12, 2018, 11:53:45 pm

Title: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on September 12, 2018, 11:53:45 pm
Car was sold new at Spitzer Ford in Elyria Ohio.  Red, Black interior 4spd Traction Lok 4:30 Staggered Shock car one of one.  I've tracked the history back to about 1971 when it was painted black and had been drag raced extensively since new, but by whom and where I do not know.  It is not the Elliot Car out of Canada or "Nemesis" also out of Canada.

The car was neglected and left outside for 15 years and will need extensive restoration. Engine is a February 1969 428CJ. Trans is a 1970 Rug AZ with a 011266 VIN stamp.

I am trying to locate any information about the car from its first year or two and its drag racing history.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Jiffy on September 13, 2018, 07:08:52 pm
Grrrrrreat find!
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Chris Teeling on September 13, 2018, 10:54:52 pm
Cool find! Saved another one...
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: sportyworty on September 14, 2018, 10:55:49 am
There were only 64 stick cars built, Congrats on that find :)  Important note that Production numbers are all based off the 2 body types 93 XR7 and 91 Standard. Staggered shock 68 R codes are the rarest of all Cougars and scarcely ever seen. The rear floor and spare tire location are entirely different between auto and stick unlike the added Mustang reinforcements. Love these cars and currently restoring the only Black one remaining of 3 produced. It's not a 4.30 though ;) These are challenging and expensive to restore to top level due to parts availability compared to Mustangs. Lots of trim and chrome and interior that has to be restored from cores or made from scratch like door panels.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on September 14, 2018, 11:29:34 am
There were only 64 stick cars built, Congrats on that find :)  Important note that Production numbers are all based off the 2 body types 93 XR7 and 91 Standard. Staggered shock 68 R codes are the rarest of all Cougars and scarcely ever seen. The rear floor and spare tire location are entirely different between auto and stick unlike the added Mustang reinforcements. Love these cars and currently restoring the only Black one remaining of 3 produced. It's not a 4.30 though ;) These are challenging and expensive to restore to top level due to parts availability compared to Mustangs. Lots of trim and chrome and interior that has to be restored from cores or made from scratch like door panels.

I am supposed to be getting the "personalized" Marti Report that should break it down.  I am quite sure it is a one of one, and not just because of the AM radio.  ;)  I will post a pic of that when I get it.  Here is the regular Marti report
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: preaction on September 14, 2018, 02:46:58 pm
Only 48 with that engine and transmission. Great car.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: 6t8-390gt on September 14, 2018, 04:00:27 pm
Awesome find, good luck with whatever you decide to do with it from here!

Danny
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on September 14, 2018, 04:53:16 pm
Only 48 with that engine and transmission. Great car.

This is also a "disc brake delete" car. All CJ's came automatically with power disc brakes. This car had that required option specifically deleted because drag racers did not like disc brakes back then. The components were heavier and created a slight drag on the rotors that could rob one or two MPH from a run.  So when this car was ordered, the power disc brakes were specifically deleted. This should make it the only one built like this with the 4:30 "drag pack" option. Although they were not using that name in marketing, it would come to be known that by 1969 when they were advertising it as the "drag pack" option. Many people think that this 1969 "drag pack" option came with an oil cooler, but the early 1969 428 SCJ "drag pack" cars did not have oil coolers.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: sportyworty on September 17, 2018, 12:10:23 pm
Only 48 with that engine and transmission. Great car.

This is also a "disc brake delete" car. All CJ's came automatically with power disc brakes. This car had that required option specifically deleted because drag racers did not like disc brakes back then. The components were heavier and created a slight drag on the rotors that could rob one or two MPH from a run.  So when this car was ordered, the power disc brakes were specifically deleted. This should make it the only one built like this with the 4:30 "drag pack" option. Although they were not using that name in marketing, it would come to be known that by 1969 when they were advertising it as the "drag pack" option. Many people think that this 1969 "drag pack" option came with an oil cooler, but the early 1969 428 SCJ "drag pack" cars did not have oil coolers.

It is not a disc brake delete car. 1968 R code Cougars were not mandatory optioned like Mustangs and Torino for PDB. I suspect it was perhaps due to the Cougars were expensive by comparison. We know they were heavier but that is a different debate than your brake through. ;) Your Marti Report just does not show the extra cost Power Disc Brake option just like it also does not show wheels because it came with hubcaps. Could be why it is 1 of 1  :)
I have a collection of reports if you need examples and we did that round on the old Cougar forum about a decade ago.

There were 16 XR7 body 93 hardtop to add to the 48 above as I previously posted 64 total. It can get confusing ha
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on September 17, 2018, 02:07:09 pm
Only 48 with that engine and transmission. Great car.

This is also a "disc brake delete" car. All CJ's came automatically with power disc brakes. This car had that required option specifically deleted because drag racers did not like disc brakes back then. The components were heavier and created a slight drag on the rotors that could rob one or two MPH from a run.  So when this car was ordered, the power disc brakes were specifically deleted. This should make it the only one built like this with the 4:30 "drag pack" option. Although they were not using that name in marketing, it would come to be known that by 1969 when they were advertising it as the "drag pack" option. Many people think that this 1969 "drag pack" option came with an oil cooler, but the early 1969 428 SCJ "drag pack" cars did not have oil coolers.

It is not a disc brake delete car. 1968 R code Cougars were not mandatory optioned like Mustangs and Torino for PDB. I suspect it was perhaps due to the Cougars were expensive by comparison. We know they were heavier but that is a different debate than your brake through. ;) Your Marti Report just does not show the extra cost Power Disc Brake option just like it also does not show wheels because it came with hubcaps. Could be why it is 1 of 1  :)
I have a collection of reports if you need examples and we did that round on the old Cougar forum about a decade ago.

There were 16 XR7 body 93 hardtop to add to the 48 above as I previously posted 64 total. It can get confusing ha


Well this is for the experts to debate since it was one of the Cougar World experts that relayed this to me.  I am certainly not a Cougar expert.  It was my understanding that ANY car that came with the 428CJ was required have certain options such as the heavy duty suspension or the staggered shocks if it was a 4spd.  However some Marti-reports show the disc brakes on them and some don't. Is there any documentation from Mercury that shows disc brakes were not a mandatory option on 428 Cougars?  From what I have learned from being in the car hobby for so many years, anything is possible. 
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: sportyworty on September 17, 2018, 02:45:37 pm
You show me where it says anywhere Power Disc Brake Delete on a document generated from Ford and I will jump in my truck, drive to your house and take you out for big steak dinner and fill your car up with race gas. ;D

Your claim, your burden of proof
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on September 17, 2018, 04:51:36 pm
LOL... I'm not picking a fight with anyone. Just trying to sort through the information to determine what is fact, opinion or speculation.  My question about whether or not Mercury had any written policy or literature or anything else stating that there was no "mandatory" options when getting the 428CJ, (unlike Ford's apparently mandatory options like the HD supsension) was not meant to disparage, only to educate myself and others.   All opinions, facts and speculation welcome! 

Is there a wheel well molding, hub cap debate I am not aware of?

Is there a link to the previous debate from a decade ago I can read?
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: redscj on September 17, 2018, 05:28:27 pm
     Different horse, different race. The Marti on my 1969 Sportsroof 428SCJ W code with auto makes no mention of disc brakes as to add or delete. It has drum brakes.
     The Marti on my 1969 Mach1 428SCJ W code 4 speed does mention disc brakes which it does have.
     Lots of old stories have fallen apart with the access to the Marti reports.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on September 17, 2018, 05:38:55 pm
     Different horse, different race. The Marti on my 1969 Sportsroof 428SCJ W code with auto makes no mention of disc brakes as to add or delete. It has drum brakes.
     The Marti on my 1969 Mach1 428SCJ W code 4 speed does mention disc brakes which it does have.
     Lots of old stories have fallen apart with the access to the Marti reports.

I guess the only way to sort out the question would be to review the actual invoices or window stickers to see if there was a charge on the invoice that matched the Marti-report or not.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: sportyworty on September 17, 2018, 05:59:56 pm
LOL... I'm not picking a fight with anyone. Just trying to sort through the information to determine what is fact, opinion or speculation.  My question about whether or not Mercury had any written policy or literature or anything else stating that there was no "mandatory" options when getting the 428CJ, (unlike Ford's apparently mandatory options like the HD supsension) was not meant to disparage, only to educate myself and others.   All opinions, facts and speculation welcome! 

Is there a wheel well molding, hub cap debate I am not aware of?

Is there a link to the previous debate from a decade ago I can read?

Well I prefer facts and you can sort the welcomed opinions and speculation. 
Try the search boxes with quotations around the word or words "PDB option"  and other search interests.

Your brake posts are not what we know to be fact and have discussed many times over in the archives. By 1969 it makes more sense because it was no longer packaged or mandatory for the exact reason you mentioned, drag racing. However in 1968 it was different and I found it very interesting so researched more and documented the Cougar anomaly. We have been comparing notes among members here with PDB and Drums for a long time.

I just can't get excited about talking to an anonymous person quoting anonymous experts like the old days. I thought you were the one asking questions not educating a specialty forum on their own wares as a new member anyway, sheesh
 
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: sportyworty on September 17, 2018, 06:16:41 pm
     Different horse, different race. The Marti on my 1969 Sportsroof 428SCJ W code with auto makes no mention of disc brakes as to add or delete. It has drum brakes.
     The Marti on my 1969 Mach1 428SCJ W code 4 speed does mention disc brakes which it does have.
     Lots of old stories have fallen apart with the access to the Marti reports.

I guess the only way to sort out the question would be to review the actual invoices or window stickers to see if there was a charge on the invoice that matched the Marti-report or not.

Think of it this way perhaps. If it's called out on the Marti or Invoice it left the line installed on the car. If it is not called out as a separate line item then it was not installed. Ford did not give options away for free. We have original cars to consider as well as paperwork to evaluate and compare. There are Marti Reports with deletes but they are items like emissions on export cars and heaters on cars to Hawaii etc.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on September 17, 2018, 10:07:11 pm
Are you the one that owns the Elliot car?
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: sportyworty on September 17, 2018, 11:22:23 pm
No I do not own the Black Automatic Transmission Cougar that Bill Quay and his son restored a long time ago

This is my car as mentioned in first post
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on September 18, 2018, 12:57:13 am
Wow, very cool car!  The reverse colors of mine.  Did you get an original invoice from Kevin or a personalized report about your car? 
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: sportyworty on September 18, 2018, 01:30:06 am
Thank you, I have pretty decent docs for this car as well as a solid ownership trail that has been amazing adventure.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 01, 2018, 01:45:37 pm
Well it is official. This the ONLY 1968 Cougar 428 Cobra Jet 4spd Cobra Jet that came with the ultra high 4:30 traction lok drag racing rear axle ratio.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: 6t8-390gt on October 01, 2018, 02:01:01 pm
Well it is official. This the ONLY 1968 Cougar 428 Cobra Jet 4spd Cobra Jet that came with the ultra high 4:30 traction lok drag racing rear axle ratio.

Not really...of the two Cardinal Red CJ Cougars with black decor interior it is the only one with 4.30.

Danny
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 01, 2018, 02:14:21 pm
Well then what good is a personalized Marti-report?????  If it only tells you that your car is a "one of two" with black seats, it does not really serve much purpose.   A waste of $60?
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: 6t8-390gt on October 01, 2018, 05:02:25 pm
I didn't mean to "rain on your parade" but I wanted you to understand how to properly read the report.  You have a lot of information on your car and it is rare and unique.  A lot of people have paid the extra money for the report and proudly display it with their car.  We (Ford owners) are fortunate Ford released the records to Kevin and he offers the service.


Danny
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 01, 2018, 06:11:27 pm
What is frustrating is that there were 19 emails back and forth between them and myself. It was very clear that i was excited to document an early version of the "drag pack" option on this 68.5 and how rare that was out of ALL the 428CJ cars. Instead they told me how rare it was on red cars with black seats.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: sportyworty on October 01, 2018, 07:15:27 pm
The report is based on the standard hardtop and does not include any XR7 cars.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: 70cj428 on October 10, 2018, 01:36:28 pm
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If it only tells you that your car is a "one of two" with black seats, it does not really serve much purpose.

Basically, for $60.00, Kevin Marti makes your car as exclusive as he can, working down the option list till your car is "one of one" or "one of two". It's actually kid of hard to get a car that's more than "one of two", especially because the muscle cars were usually heavily optioned. I've seen where he has actually had to use the DSO to make a car one of one. ( "and of those two cars, only one was delivered to Philadelphia. 0T05RXXXXXX)  If you really want to know "How many 1968 Cougars came with a 428CJ and 4:30 gears" you can request this and he'll charge you a research fee by the hour to find the answer. Every car I've gotten a Marti Report for was one of one ( 9 so far) so the one of one thing doesn't carry a lot of weight with most die hard enthusiasts.

As for the Drum Brake thing, in 1968, All normally ordered 428 optioned Mustangs had to be GT's .Power Disc brakes were mandatory with 390 or 428 GT's, so by default all 68 428 Mustangs were disc brake cars. The only exception to this were the first 50 "135 cars" which were all non GT drum brake cars, but that order was generated internally by Ford. In 69 and 70, the 428 was available in any body style or option level, so drum brake cars are not uncommon.

Another thing to remember is that sometimes cars "slip through the cracks" and get built, like the 4 speed GTE's or the 70 4speed AC cars.

4:30 geared CJ's  aren't uncommon in a Mustang and since there was no "Drag Pack" till 69, I'd be really surprised if your car was the only 4:30 gear 428 Cougar. That said, ANY 428CJ cougar is rare, and being Red/Black also makes your car really desirable.

JMHO, John

(Just FYI, sportyworty (Kerry) is one of the foremost experts in the country on 68 1/2 Mustangs and Cougars (and an all around great guy) , He's a great resource for both parts and information......)
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: preaction on October 11, 2018, 03:51:34 pm
The owner of this car has posted on the Cougar site he is listing this car tonight on Ebay at no reserve.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 12, 2018, 03:03:44 pm
Over $9,000 in less than 20 hours.  Interesting to watch. 

The 1968 R-code registry provided this data

To partially answer your question of how many 4:30 68.5 cars there were - we have 7 reported to the database. 5 are 4-speeds, and 2 are C6's. 6 are standard (91) Cougars, and one is an XR7. None of them are restored, and 3 are possibly parted out.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Bigfoot on October 12, 2018, 04:41:03 pm
Good luck with your sale.
If you do sell it you will also have the added benefit of people here not busting your chops like some did when you were merely trying to tell everyone about your vehicle.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: redscj on October 13, 2018, 10:01:23 am
     It has to be a labor of love. Non original motor & trans from what I have read. As Kerry has pointed out, a decent restoration is going to be tough & I bet expensive. I don't know what he paid for it, I haven't followed the thread diligently. But at least some value can be squeezed out of the engine & trans sale. Of course the purchase of reasonable dated replacements will likely add up to more than the sale of the old parts.
     As has been pointed out to several potential purchasers of Mustang project cars. What is the best outcome the op can expect? Bottom line, what is the expected value of it as a higher end driver?
     Just as a side note, when I met my future wife. Her mother had just bought a new 68 Cougar. It was a sharp looking car, dark blue with a black vinyl top as I recall. Likely just an automatic 302 with ac but I think it was an XR7. Come to find out the salesman sold it but it was actually a special order for a different customer. The deal turned ugly & the dealership traded her into a Brougham. She was reasonable happy. A bigger car, maybe a 69, I don't recall. Eh, not a great car.
     I wish the op good luck.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 13, 2018, 02:47:09 pm
     It has to be a labor of love. Non original motor & trans from what I have read. As Kerry has pointed out, a decent restoration is going to be tough & I bet expensive. I don't know what he paid for it, I haven't followed the thread diligently. But at least some value can be squeezed out of the engine & trans sale. Of course the purchase of reasonable dated replacements will likely add up to more than the sale of the old parts.
     As has been pointed out to several potential purchasers of Mustang project cars. What is the best outcome the op can expect? Bottom line, what is the expected value of it as a higher end driver?
     Just as a side note, when I met my future wife. Her mother had just bought a new 68 Cougar. It was a sharp looking car, dark blue with a black vinyl top as I recall. Likely just an automatic 302 with ac but I think it was an XR7. Come to find out the salesman sold it but it was actually a special order for a different customer. The deal turned ugly & the dealership traded her into a Brougham. She was reasonable happy. A bigger car, maybe a 69, I don't recall. Eh, not a great car.
     I wish the op good luck.

Noted Cougar expert Don Rush has stated this car's restored value is over $200,000.  Several other noted cougar folks have weighed in between $150k and $200k.  A whole slew have stated a minimum value of $125K to $150k.  So there is literally a $100,000 spread in value with the experts being at the top end. 

On 1968.5 cars, as many of you know, the only VIN stamp is going to be a barely readable one on the block below the driver's side cylinder head, or actually ON the back of the driver's side cylinder head. The rest is just date code correct parts. Having drag racing history, a car is usually forgiven some of its hit for a NOM engine.  They recently found one of the only two Boss 429 Cougars, both of which were drag raced extensively. All that was left was the front dog house with the shock towers and an empty floorless body shell.  With all of that missing, it will still be a fabulously pricey car when restored.

On this car, I posted it with a no reserve to let the market speak. Let's all enjoy the show.  :) Oh, and original purchase price was $1,000. 
 
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: redscj on October 13, 2018, 04:09:17 pm
     Is there any sales history to back up those estimates? Either way, just the values of the drivetrain should provide you with a nice finders fee.
     By any chance did you get to query the owner or rummage through his place for related parts? Sometimes what is leaning up against a wall or under a work table can be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 13, 2018, 05:55:44 pm
     Is there any sales history to back up those estimates? Either way, just the values of the drivetrain should provide you with a nice finders fee.
     By any chance did you get to query the owner or rummage through his place for related parts? Sometimes what is leaning up against a wall or under a work table can be pretty interesting.

There has been only one 1968 Cougar 428CJ 4spd car that has sold publicly for the last five years and that one was a "GTE".  It was a survivor" with cracked and thin green paint and the original cracked tan leather interior, some rust and two previous body repairs. It brought $228,000 in 2015. It was still a nice looking car, but far from perfect. An automatic 427 GTE in nicely restored condition recently brought $180k in 2017.  But it was an automatic.  They only made 64 4spd 428CJ 1968 Cougars and ALL of the 427 GTE cars were automatics and they made a lot more of them.  The Green $228k GTE was one of only 3 with the 4spd out of the 64 4spd 428CJ 1968.5 cars which is why it brought a premium. With the "drag pak" type options like the 4:30 rear axle on this one it will be one of few, if not the only one like it that may ever come up for sale.   While this one was not the "luxury" version the GTE is, it is more of a drag car and much more rare. 

I did look through everything and was able to save the original 428 valve chrome covers, intake, carb and oil pan with windage tray. 
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: 68stangcjfb on October 13, 2018, 06:56:11 pm
Just so you know, 68 1/2s didn't come with windage trays.  they came along early in the 69 model year.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 13, 2018, 07:18:56 pm
Just so you know, 68 1/2s didn't come with windage trays.  they came along early in the 69 model year.

The engine currently in the car is a February 1969 built 428CJ so I was glad to get it. 
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 14, 2018, 09:02:52 pm
So what would be the proper engine date code range for a June 6, 1968 428CJ build?
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: redscj on October 15, 2018, 04:55:24 pm
     Ouch, finding those parts might be a Herculean task. Just guessing, you'd be looking for basically early 68.5 Mustang drivetrain stuff. I suspect that the carb, distributor, air cleaner & smog stuff will be the hardest to find.
     A couple of years ago, a local guy here had a May of 68 block. So they're around. Of course you mentioned that you have the intake & carb so that is a big help. Look all over the current engine to see if any of the original parts migrated to it. As for dates. Best that I can offer is the 1 to 3 months prior to the cars build date general rule.
     I'm sure that several forum members would appreciate if you would post pictures, casting number & date to the intake.
     As a side note. Remember part of the high price is based upon the rarity of the car & the cost to restore it. Hang on to your wallet if you are going to be involved in the restoration.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 17, 2018, 10:09:42 am
Number five on the highest number of watchers and climbing 

http://www.watchcount.com/#serp
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 18, 2018, 04:37:31 pm
"In a issue of SS/DI there is a picture of Dyno Don racing a fairly stock 1968 428CJ Cougar. The car was painted black"

Anyone have any info on this statement???

Now over 10,000 views and almost 600 watchers and the number two highest number of watchers of any current ebay auction.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 21, 2018, 08:24:49 pm
Well, another 68.5 benchmark  $26,766 for a restoration project 1968 Cougar 428CJ 4spd 4:30 Traction Lok Staggered Shock car with NOM engine and trans.  It will be very exciting to watch the next chapter in this car's life.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: gregwill16 on October 21, 2018, 08:40:18 pm
Nice profit! I figured it would go pretty high but exceeded my expectations. Hopefully it went to someone that will give it the love it needs and they have deep pockets to boot.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: Karguy on October 21, 2018, 08:53:48 pm
The guy that got it has been hunting for a 68 CJ 4spd Cougar for years and has a few other significant Cougars. Of course he hoped to find a better starting point, but with none available you have to take what you can get.
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: priceless on October 25, 2018, 09:53:32 pm
What is frustrating is that there were 19 emails back and forth between them and myself. It was very clear that i was excited to document an early version of the "drag pack" option on this 68.5 and how rare that was out of ALL the 428CJ cars. Instead they told me how rare it was on red cars with black seats.
Yep, Exactly!!
Title: Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
Post by: sportyworty on October 25, 2018, 11:56:33 pm
Just like Google the answer is only as good as the question posed. Kevin did not want 19x exchanges on a single order. The customer was unclear obviously as evidenced in the disappointment.
Here's what the Cougar Community had to say over 26 pages on both the seller and the car. Anyone that was interested in the brakes discussion can read the last couple pages where I posted some reports.
https://www.classiccougarcommunity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9780i