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Dipping parts in black paint
« on: June 22, 2006, 10:04:07 pm »
Some time ago I was reading a mag and they were talking about dipping parts in black paint. I'v done this for some time now but their method was quite different from mine. They fill a 5 gallon bucket with water and then add about an inch or so of black paint to the top. I tried it and I must say it worked great!! I have been working on some jack handles and instead of filling a 15 inch piece of PVC pipe with paint, I just fill it to my mark with water and then added about a half inch or so of paint. Dipped the handles in and out slowly and they came out fantastic!! This should make dipping large parts like control arms and such much easier and economical. Just be sure to use an oil based paint. Hope this tip can help someone out!!

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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2006, 10:22:20 pm »
Great tip - needs to go into the restoration tips section of the registry...

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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2006, 06:43:18 am »
I've been playing with this too, but I can't seem to get the paint thinned out properly.  I am using plain old Rustoleum enamel in a can and thinning with acetone.  The thinner the better, but at some point it gets so thin that the part doesn't get fully coated (protected) before hitting the water.  What are you using and how are you thinning it??
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2006, 04:33:04 pm »
I'm thinking you're getting it too thin. You want a nice heavy coat on before it hits the water, then it will thin out as it drains off as you pull it out.
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2006, 06:07:57 pm »
My problem has been it does not drain fast enough, so I get thick paint and fat drips or drops hanging off the edge.  Of course, I am using Rustoleum from Lowe's so maybe I need to go for something a little higher tech!!
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2006, 06:12:10 pm »
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Some time ago I was reading a mag and they were talking about dipping parts in black paint. I'v done this for some time now but their method was quite different from mine. They fill a 5 gallon bucket with water and then add about an inch or so of black paint to the top. I tried it and I must say it worked great!! I have been working on some jack handles and instead of filling a 15 inch piece of PVC pipe with paint, I just fill it to my mark with water and then added about a half inch or so of paint. Dipped the handles in and out slowly and they came out fantastic!! This should make dipping large parts like control arms and such much easier and economical. Just be sure to use an oil based paint. Hope this tip can help someone out!!

 Would you post the exact mixtures & set up  you are using?
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2007, 08:32:56 pm »
What type of paints ate you using out of a can? Please elaborate. how about haging parts. spray a good coat of paint on them until your done. Then respray and make it heavy enough to create some runs. Wouldn't that duplicate it too? just wondering. Gary


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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2007, 01:45:01 am »
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What type of paints ate you using out of a can? Please elaborate. how about haging parts. spray a good coat of paint on them until your done. Then respray and make it heavy enough to create some runs. Wouldn't that duplicate it too? just wondering. Gary

I have dipped some parts previously and I think part of the goal is to duplicate the thin factory paint on the dipped part. I think spraying two coats might defeat the purpose. The original parts I have seen were not perfect and often had thin spots along with the runs visible. I think I used some type of chassis black enamel I got at my paint shop. I will check my paint cabinet to see what I used.
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2007, 07:31:54 am »
When I did my CJ Mach I dipped the lower control arms in our vat at work that had a conveyer system that ran control arms(new GMs) thru a tank and out with the paint dripping off to catch plates as they moved along. This was the old way and the method is quite different now.  About 10 years ago they changed to a new modern system where a fluid-looks like water -floating ON the paint so it takes off the excess before the control arm leaves the tank. The paint in the old school vat sure seemed thicker on the part doing it Gm's factory way like in the '60s that any rattle can I have sprayed on a part. Anyone else agree that a sprayed item is usually thinner than a dipped one? Unless that paint is really thinned out. I have a pair of NOS lower control arms I'll dig out and try to see how thick the paint is on them. Most of my sprayed parts have the bare minimum of paint on them for chipping reasons. Gary


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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 10:26:05 pm »
One thing I've found that works good when your doing a chassis black finish is to first spray the part with a semi-gloss krylon and then dip it. Sometimes this will solve any air bubble problems that keeps the dipped paint from covering some hard to reach areas. However this is prolly not the "correct" way to do it but it works for me.

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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2008, 07:44:50 am »
One thing I've found that works good when your doing a chassis black finish is to first spray the part with a semi-gloss krylon and then dip it. Sometimes this will solve any air bubble problems that keeps the dipped paint from covering some hard to reach areas. However this is prolly not the "correct" way to do it but it works for me.

I have been "developing" my process and I also now will spray a part if it has a complicated shape to make sure I get 100% coverage.  I also  bought some real professional thinner to mix with my Rustoleum to get a homogenous thin mix.  Be sure to hang the part so the paint runs straight off and not "down" the length of the part or it might accumulate at the bottom before it drips off.  Works great!

I also had some that sat for 3 days or so (covered) and the paint on top started to dry/thicken.  Before I threw it out, I dipped a repro battery hold down clamp ('69) in it and it came out looking "NOS" with a thick layer of coating and some drips dangling.
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2008, 02:43:10 pm »
One thing I've found that works good when your doing a chassis black finish is to first spray the part with a semi-gloss krylon and then dip it. Sometimes this will solve any air bubble problems that keeps the dipped paint from covering some hard to reach areas. However this is prolly not the "correct" way to do it but it works for me.

I have been "developing" my process and I also now will spray a part if it has a complicated shape to make sure I get 100% coverage.  I also  bought some real professional thinner to mix with my Rustoleum to get a homogenous thin mix.  Be sure to hang the part so the paint runs straight off and not "down" the length of the part or it might accumulate at the bottom before it drips off.  Works great!

I also had some that sat for 3 days or so (covered) and the paint on top started to dry/thicken.  Before I threw it out, I dipped a repro battery hold down clamp ('69) in it and it came out looking "NOS" with a thick layer of coating and some drips dangling.
What rustolium? Is it a semi gloss black?You say the paint thickens after a few days staying on the top right? Assuming you mean in a covered container, right? If thats the case why don't you flip the container upside down in storage like you do with you 1 gallon house paint cans. That should solve the thickening problem for longer term storage. Gary
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2008, 03:29:34 pm »
Gary - I find that the dipped finish is glossier than you expect, so I mix gloss and flat to get a duller finish.  I did the control arms and coil springs for my '66 Mustang and used a big bucket with a lid that would not seal completely, so the layer of paint on top began to dry.  I usually just leave the lid off when I am done and periodically skim off the hardened top "skin" of paint until all I have left is water that I can dump out.
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2008, 11:30:07 pm »
Ever try to stretch a thin piece of saran or plastic across the top and then put the lid on so it will last longer or doesn't that work? I must admit I do not go to those lengths because I was lucky in that when I worked at GM Powertrain in Warren we did control arms and I could wire my parts to the conveyor and run them thru the dipping process. The old process they changed in the 90s I would just go up the top and dip my parts in the vat and hang dry. Well that process they used to have it would drip paint off for a long ways down the line. The new system they had before I left I never did figure out. It looked like a vat of water or some solution and the paint was below it. The parts went into it and when they came out they were stripped of the excess paint. The arms were phosphated before paint but unfortunately the setup was a 24 hour phosphate-keep them from rusting before paint after the cleansing bath. Unfortunately the facility I work at now we do not do any painting-all sheet metal parts but they used to do chroming there and boy have I heard the stories on cars being "chromed" Gary

PS on another note for you multiple makes guys we are building some of the new Camaro dies at our facility. Roof is coming along and the coupe quarter panel dies are on our machines now. Easy to spot the quarters with that signature 3 grooves in the front rear quarters the 69 Camaros had for faux vents.


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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2008, 02:24:21 am »
A few points.... yes dipped parts should be glossier than sprayed parts

Not sure if I missed it above but has anyone brought up the water and paint dipping process that many of the restorers are using?

Fill the container with water (lenght of part plus a few inches, add paint to the water, let it separate then dip the part into the paint in a slow smooth motion

Been discussed on a number of the other forums in the past five years

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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2008, 03:16:44 am »
A few points.... yes dipped parts should be glossier than sprayed parts

Not sure if I missed it above but has anyone brought up the water and paint dipping process that many of the restorers are using?

Fill the container with water (length of part plus a few inches, add paint to the water, let it separate then dip the part into the paint in a slow smooth motion

Been discussed on a number of the other forums in the past five years
Yes Jeff it was discussed in this thread. Could it be that dipped parts could be more glossy because Krylon semi-FLAT paint-Krylon doesn't make a semi-gloss that I have ever seen-seems to be the norm for a lot of people. Real easy to use and Perkins has mentioned it numerous times as a paint source. I have used Eastwood's chassis black on many parts on My convert to get diff semi-gloss looks compared to krylon. At one time I believe Perkins or someone went thru numerous parts and listed how some were glossier than others and I took that to heart in painting many black parts. By the way Chassis black is a pain in the A** to get a consistant sheen over a long part like the front bumper to frame extensions. Krylon is much easier to work with. Anyone know of an easy to use spray paint in semi-GLOSS black? Gary
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2008, 05:56:49 pm »
There was a list that was published in the 80's (written by Bruce Weiss the guy everyone is talking about currently in reference to the CJ drag pak conv) that listed relative glossiness of different bolt on parts.  Talked to a couple of people about redoing the list and up dating it a bit with the additional information we have found over the years.

Didn't see the dipping reference earlier... eyes to tired catching up on all the emails and posts after being gone for the auctions ;)

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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2008, 07:02:34 pm »
There was a list that was published in the 80's (written by Bruce Weiss the guy everyone is talking about currently in reference to the CJ drag pak conv) that listed relative glossiness of different bolt on parts.  Talked to a couple of people about redoing the list and up dating it a bit with the additional information we have found over the years.

Didn't see the dipping reference earlier... eyes to tired catching up on all the emails and posts after being gone for the auctions ;)
Its ok, I have been known to look past posts when scrolling and miss answers to my questions.


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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2008, 08:45:27 pm »
By the way Chassis black is a pain in the A** to get a consistant sheen over a long part like the front bumper to frame extensions. Krylon is much easier to work with. Anyone know of an easy to use spray paint in semi-GLOSS black? Gary

Gary - I have been using Dupli Color Engine Enamel, both the "low gloss" black and the "semi-gloss" black.  I think the SG black is DE 1635.  Both produce a very nice finish if you put the last coat on fairly wet.
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2008, 08:48:29 am »
By the way Chassis black is a pain in the A** to get a consistant sheen over a long part like the front bumper to frame extensions. Krylon is much easier to work with. Anyone know of an easy to use spray paint in semi-GLOSS black? Gary

Gary - I have been using Dupli Color Engine Enamel, both the "low gloss" black and the "semi-gloss" black.  I think the SG black is DE 1635.  Both produce a very nice finish if you put the last coat on fairly wet.
Thanks Jim. I actually have a can of the duplicolor low gloss lying around that I bought when I wasn't around a Krylon equipped store. I will get me a can of the semi-gloss to try. Gary


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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2008, 11:56:56 pm »
When you dip a part is it bare steel or can you put a coat of etch primer on first? Just wandering about how well the paint adheres to bare steel?
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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2008, 12:34:52 am »
I've never primed.  But that is just me

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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2008, 01:11:59 am »
Well if you do prime-make it the SAME color(black). Years ago I learned the mistakes of using gray or red primers under black parts. Just like if you spray the charcoal metallic black interior paint on the panels like the lower dash. Its so transparent always use a black primer base first. This has been discussed here before. Gary


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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2008, 02:41:33 pm »
I've found that Ford plated a lot of parts before painting/dipping.  Typically, zinc plating.

Usually find a silvery coating just above the bare metal when stripping in the blasting cabinet.

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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2008, 09:33:45 pm »
There was a list that was published in the 80's (written by Bruce Weiss the guy everyone is talking about currently in reference to the CJ drag pak conv) that listed relative glossiness of different bolt on parts.  Talked to a couple of people about redoing the list and up dating it a bit with the additional information we have found over the years

Jeff, here it is.... I scanned this in years ago and had put it some file folder I'd never used. Care to add any comments or updates?

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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2008, 10:53:30 pm »

Jeff, here it is.... I scanned this in years ago and had put it some file folder I'd never used. Care to add any comments or updates?


Wow does that bring back some old memories.- Yes I would change a number of things.... in fact I think I mentioned redoing that sheet to Charles last year ;)

Of course the sheet is in complete, I differ on a couple of parts and the list is not year specific Bruce did this many years ago.

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Re: Dipping parts in black paint
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2008, 09:33:05 am »
I would say this is a very difficult thing to nail down 100%. Original finishes done over 40 years ago would brake down and not look the same nor would having other textures or finishes over then help protect and preserve as solvents applied in finishes over them would compromise the original finish to a degree. The paint back then was not of the best quailty on a good day! Enamels can have a different finish on them just by what temperature it was sprayed at and how fast they were dryed. JMO
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