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New Drag Racing Articles
« on: January 02, 2010, 01:14:37 pm »
I just added two articles to the web site that might be of interest to drag racing fans:

428 CJ Mustangs at the 1968 NHRA Winternationals

This article describes the results of our research into the Mustangs that raced at the 1968 NHRA Winternationals.  I think you'll find some new and interesting information there - have a look!  There's been a lot of speculation about the VINs of the cars that were raced, so I hope this article will help put some old rumors to bed.

1968 428 Cobra Jet Drag Strip Modifications

This article describes the modifications made for drag racing during the 1968 model year.  If you've got a copy of the March 1968 edition of Autolite Shop Tips this won't be new to you.
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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2010, 01:28:32 pm »
Thank you Scott, that is some very cool information!

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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2010, 02:29:06 pm »
....yes, thanks for posting.

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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2010, 07:41:16 pm »
Scott Hubert told me he flipped a coin with Al and lost that is why he red lighted. When I raced the car in 1970 the shipping weight was 3186 and the HP was 360.
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2010, 07:47:18 pm »
Yes, Rusty, I remember you telling me that.  Hubert confirmed the story when I talked to him.  Would the weight and HP info change from 1968 to 1970?
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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 10:04:51 pm »
I don't know what the HP and weight NHRA used in 1968 was but in 1970 SS/FA was 8.50 and the 68 was 8.85 and had to weigh 3186. I had to have a spare tire 4 way lug wrench and a full tank of gas to make the min weight and than I went across the scales at 3190. One of the reasons I built the 69 SS/GA was because it fit the top of the class at 9.09 and it had to weigh 3272 also at the time there were a lot more cars running SS/FA. When I pulled the drive train and suspension out of the 68 and installed in the 69 it weighed 3145. So I had the same problem full tank spare tire just to made the min weight.
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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2010, 09:51:56 pm »
   Scott,
      Back then the ram air or lack of changed the hp rating NHRA gave the cars as well. I remember everyone buying C9AF-U carbs  as they ran faster than the originals! 68.5 heads(early casting dates were also popular as the valve seats were "higher" ( not sunk into the head) and flowed better. You weren't allowed to use more than a couple of replacement seats. Boy has that changed now! Edelbrock aluminum replacement heads, electric water pump drives, aftermarket rods, etc.
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   Rusty--- I ran into George Plis again @ PRI show in December ahve you spoken to him recently?
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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2010, 10:08:31 pm »
     Scott,
        The dealership the Dyno Don car was sold to was McCoy "MILLS" Ford, not "METALS" This very old dealership is still around today in it's original Fullerton Ca location under Mills Ford. Tom Stafford's ex wife worked there and got him some deals on cars back then. Tom also had a '64 Galaxy light weight he ran out of the same dealership earlier.
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2010, 10:11:41 pm »
     Scott,
        The dealership the Dyno Don car was sold to was McCoy "MILLS" Ford, not "METALS" This very old dealership is still around today in it's original Fullerton Ca location under Mills Ford. Tom Stafford's ex wife worked there and got him some deals on cars back then. Tom also had a '64 Galaxy light weight he ran out of the same dealership earlier.
        Randy

The article quotes what's written in the Ford documentation I referenced.  Looks like someone at Ford got it wrong!  Thanks, I'll add a note when I next update the page.
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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 11:01:45 pm »
   


   Rusty--- I ran into George Plis again @ PRI show in December ahve you spoken to him recently?
          Randy Gillis (no relation except we both race/raced Fords)

It was about 5 years ago that I last saw George. I was at the PRI show Thursday sorry I missed you.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2010, 02:59:44 pm »
    Thanks Rusty,
        Sorry I missed meeting you. I'll give George your number just in case he misplaced it.
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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2010, 07:38:36 pm »
I just picked up the Sept. 1968 issue of Rodder and Super Stock magazine.  There is a real nice article; "Hubert Platt 428 Mustang Setup" by Alex Walordy, that has some nice details about the Paul Harvey 985 car.  The artilce says; "For instance at Pomona, Hubert's consistant runs showed 120.64 and 120.96 mph with ets of 11.49 on all three runs."  I noticed the numbers were not the same as the thread here.  Not sure who is right; but thought I'd throw it out there.

The article is over 5 pages long and outlines a lot of the mods that Holman and Moody, Strope Associates made to the car.

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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2010, 08:21:27 pm »
I've got the same article on-hand.  My sources for the race results are provided; none of them provided information about the preliminary rounds so maybe that's what Rodder and Super Stock is referring to.
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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2010, 09:01:09 pm »
Alex did a story on my car after the Winternationals in 1972 that appeared in the Sept issue of Rodder and Super Stock magazine. He had listed the times I ran during a time run at the Winternationals but said they were the first round at Amarillo where I broke out. I broke out at the Winternationals but could not run quick enough to qualify at Amarillo. So I can see where he may have made a mistake on Hubert's article. I wish I had a copy of that article.
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Re: New Drag Racing Articles
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2010, 07:46:09 pm »
I've got the same article on-hand.  My sources for the race results are provided; none of them provided information about the preliminary rounds so maybe that's what Rodder and Super Stock is referring to.


Are you able to post that article or forward a copy of it?

Thanks,

Naz