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1970 Ford drag team coupe
« on: May 05, 2011, 01:34:09 pm »
     I met a guy that claims to have a 70 coupe that was driven by a guy named Jerry Baker. The car was owned by Andrew (Andy) Plimm. He has a couple of pictures of it on a ramp truck. I don't think the car was very successful. If anybody has any information on it I will fill in what I saw.
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2011, 03:20:42 pm »
    Part of the Polaris Drag Team. It's all over the Boss site. Not a factory sponsored deal. The car was obviously built "back in the day" but never won anything big that I know of.
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2011, 03:37:18 pm »
    Part of the Polaris Drag Team. It's all over the Boss site. Not a factory sponsored deal. The car was obviously built "back in the day" but never won anything big that I know of.
     Randy
     That is basically what I was told. The car has had some restoration work done to it. I only looked at it for a couple of minutes. Not anything that I would be interested in. Looked more or less complete, has a cage, fuel cell & slicks. I don't know if it was an original CJ car or not. I glanced at the apron and didn't notice a VIN. I didn't see the VIN plate either. I think it got lost in the restoration work. No door data info that I saw. I thought what a shame, it is going to have a lot of issues if you wanted to drive it. Remember, I only did a very brief look over and I don't know much about 70's. I was short on time and had other things that I wanted to look at.
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2011, 12:49:22 am »
    Part of the Polaris Drag Team. It's all over the Boss site. Not a factory sponsored deal. The car was obviously built "back in the day" but never won anything big that I know of.     Randy 

 ;)  Randy, Do you still have the picture of that 70 Stang that I emailed you ??
         Maybe you could post it here for everyone to see !!
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 01:28:19 am »
     I'll check and post if I still have it,
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2011, 01:15:24 am »
This is in a small format book I found at the Barnes and Noble one day.. only color pic I have seen. Sorry about the distortion, book won't lay flat enough to scan..
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 08:32:53 pm »
Nice picture!
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 12:39:36 am »
Few more thanks to Dragpak


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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 01:15:23 am »
     Yup, thats it. Sitting just like that when I saw it. Like I said in an earlier post. I didn't notice if it was a true CJ car. As I remember the Vin plate was MIA. I'm sure the car will appeal to some people. I ran the issues real quick through my mind and decided that it wasn't worth much to me. Especially if the Vin plate is really missing. Did dragpak see it in person or did he get the pictures emailed to him? Has it been sold?
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2011, 01:39:52 am »
I know it is an oddball and the missing VIN stuff is an issue but I think the car would be great back in it's original scheme. Hopefully there are some stamped VINs in the sheetmetal that will confirm what the car is thru the Eminger invoice and Marti info. He did not tell me the details behind the pics so hopefully he will chime in soon!
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 02:29:28 am »
     Perhaps there are states more understanding than mine. Getting a title without the Vin plate while likely not impossible would be more headaches than I could handle. Truly not a project for the weak at heart. Then is it a true R or Q car?
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2011, 09:13:15 pm »
Here is some footage on the Polaris Drag Team  from July 1971
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2011, 11:33:49 pm »
Here is some footage on the Polaris Drag Team  from July 1971

GREAT VIDEO!!!
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2011, 11:35:56 pm »
     Perhaps there are states more understanding than mine. Getting a title without the Vin plate while likely not impossible would be more headaches than I could handle. Truly not a project for the weak at heart. Then is it a true R or Q car?
I was thinking that an old Jerry Heasley article I had with the white CJ coupe that was in Texas stated that this Polaris car was a Q but I could be mistaken. I would love to see it in person.
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2011, 12:33:46 am »
     Jeff, maybe I missed something when I saw it. I wasn't very impressed. But then again I'm not a coupe guy. Several of the CJ coupes that have been on the forum recently impress me a lot more than this one. Even its race history is limited. As I remember it had a shaker hood but only the scoop top sitting on the engine.
     The best that I can say is the picture is a good representation of how it looks. It has a partial restoration that stalled for reasons that I won't go into. I only got 1 side of the story. The goal, as I was told, was to restore it to its racing configuration. I'm not versed in what was used in 1970. But I doubt that an Edelbrock intake, magneto and an electric water pump drive was allowed in either stock or super stock in 1970. I seem to remember a fuel cell but I could be wrong on that.
     All I could think of was all of the work that it needed and the title hassles. The current owner knows what it is and has a lot tied up in the car to get it to this point. I'm sure he threw a price out but I didn't pay any attention to it. So there it is, by my view, an expensive incomplete restoration needing a lot more money and work topped of with a looming title issue. The up side is it isn't going to rust.
     I've been contacted by some forum people so I'm not the only one that knows about it. To the best of my knowledge, members that know CJ's way more than I do haven't picked it up. Perhaps they would be willing to chime in on why they didn't pounce on it. Perhaps they are hesitant to come this far west?
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2011, 12:55:36 am »
No, I'm sure your assessment is probably correct. As far as the old CJ cars with any race history, I seem to have a fondness for them and especially if it is something that can probably be verified by owner history and/or pictures. Placing a value on a car like this especially when it was not particularly successful is certainly open to more subjective interpretation than if it was a stock car. And it has probably even more limited appeal to most. But it appears to me that this is one of the last semi-factory backed Mustang drag cars if I have the story correct..

I would probably make no attempt to make it street legal and would return it to the scheme in the pics and like you said, period correct parts. I would not care if the state of Missouri DMV assigned a new VIN to it either. And I'm more of a race car guy, not really a coupe guy but I like all the old Mustang race cars.. the history even if it is limited is interesting to me. I'm sure the guy has lots of money in the car that he won't be able to get back out of it. I just hope that it gets painted back to that Polaris scheme with no shaker like my picture if that is indeed what it is.

I collected many period correct parts for Black Magic and even it's history is sketchy in its first 4 years and I would love to have something like this to put all that stuff on.. then find or build a ramp truck like that one!
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2011, 01:39:51 am »
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     As it was told to me and its 40 years after the fact. Andy Plimm (I hope I got that right) fell into some money. I think his father, but it might of been him, worked in Ford's computer department. Something about a large lump payment for something from Ford. Ordered the car and threw a lot of money at it. Hired Baker as the driver. Figured they were going to blow everybody off of all of the tracks. Found out it isn't as easy as it looks.
     The Ford factory involvement was minimal at best. I got the impression that Ford didn't really have any money in this deal. I could easily be wrong on this. But calling it a factory car is likely a stretch. Notice on the truck, the biggest decal is for Autolite.
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2011, 02:02:45 am »
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     As it was told to me and its 40 years after the fact. Andy Plimm (I hope I got that right) fell into some money. I think his father, but it might of been him, worked in Ford's computer department. Something about a large lump payment for something from Ford. Ordered the car and threw a lot of money at it. Hired Baker as the driver. Figured they were going to blow everybody off of all of the tracks. Found out it isn't as easy as it looks.
     The Ford factory involvement was minimal at best. I got the impression that Ford didn't really have any money in this deal. I could easily be wrong on this. But calling it a factory car is likely a stretch. Notice on the truck, the biggest decal is for Autolite.
Yep.. think that was kind of my impression. Thats why I used semi in my description.. I'm ok with my stretch! Others may not agree and that's ok too. And it looks like that is one of the Drag Team haulers to me.. maybe with a new paint job?
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2011, 12:03:18 pm »
        Jeff,
           I agree the truck looks like a Drag Team hauler. The "box" on top was modified after it crashed into a bridge at Lions drag strip out here in Ca. They lowered it so it would not be a problem at any other tracks they went to.
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Re: 1970 Ford drag team coupe
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2011, 03:35:19 am »
        Jeff,
           I agree the truck looks like a Drag Team hauler. The "box" on top was modified after it crashed into a bridge at Lions drag strip out here in Ca. They lowered it so it would not be a problem at any other tracks they went to.
         Randy
Thanks for that info.. I thought something looked dfferent but I could not quite put my finger on it!
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