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Offline blksn8k

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1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« on: January 04, 2013, 07:32:58 pm »
I am restoring a grabber blue 1970 Q Code Mach 1. The car has the non-functional hood scoop. Is this hood scoop supposed to have the "Cobra JET" script emblems on the sides? I have seen plenty of pics of R Code cars that have the script emblems on the shaker scoop but I have not found any pics of a non-ram air hood scoop on a 1970 428 car. I have the paint stencil for the hood stripes that includes the "428" in the stripe so I assume the only emblem that would be on the scoop is the chrome "Cobra JET" script which would be similar to what I have seen on shaker equipped cars. In other words, my scoop should not have the rectangular "428" emblem in addition to the "Cobra JET" script emblem since "428" is already in the stripe. Anyone have a photo of a 1970 Q Code Mach 1 hood?
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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 07:39:39 pm »
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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 08:25:03 pm »
Thanks, I have now.  ;D

Two of the cars in that board that are Q Code Mach 1's have nothing on the sides of the scoop.
I am a little skeptical of the green car though since the overhead photo obviously shows that the hood stripes were missing the "428" stencils at the time that photo was taken. Makes me wonder wonder what else was missing. Based on some of the owner's comments I got the impression that that car was still a work in progress. A very well done work in progress, however.
The grabber blue car might be a little more conclusive but without knowing more of that car's history it is still hard for me to know if it is correct.
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70 Mach 1 Q code (428 CJ, 4-speed)
68 Cougar X code (390, C6)
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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 08:26:16 pm »
    I haven't seen any 70's with any emblems on the scoop, As far as the hood stripes, there are a few variations. Some early ones had 428 in the stripes, and some middle production had stripes only, and the last 6 mos had them again. To throw in another monkey wrench, some had white border on the numbers.
There is a long thread here that is really in depth, maybe you can figure out what yours may have had by looking through the thread and figuring out your build date.
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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 09:48:25 pm »
Choppers, even after reading the thread you mentioned I am still a little confused. Imagine that! Anyway, I actually asked a similar question here way back in 2007. My project got delayed for a couple of years by my painter. He finally has the car completely painted with the exception of the hood stripes. For whatever it's worth, according to the Marti Report my car was built at Metuchen in Dec of 69. I am still skeptical of the idea that Q code cars did not have the "Cobra JET" script on the scoop. R code shaker cars did have the script but M code shaker cars obviously didn't. Following that pattern it would seem logical that Q code Mach 1's would have the script and M code non-shaker Mach 1's would not (and they don't). But since I have yet to see any cars like mine with the script I guess that just means that's one less part I need to buy.  ;D
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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 10:22:25 pm »
    I also have been restoring a 70 'Q' code. I have come to the conclusion that the scoops have no emblems or scripts. Striping is a little fuzzy, it seems no numbers started sometime in Sept. 69 and numbers returned in Dec or Jan. And the white outline on the numbers is possibly for black striping on darker colored cars.
Use this website for correct dimensions for the stripes  http://1970mach1.homestead.com/home.html
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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2013, 08:11:25 am »
I remember reading on the net that the hood stripes with the 428 embossed in them were Dearborn build cars? I only vaguely remember reading something.....
Of all the pictures I have seen, only the script is on the shaker cars. The non function hood scoops had the squre badge with the engine capacity in it, again only pictures I have seen this with and pretty sure they were only 69 model cars...
Pictures though dont tell us how "original" the car is/was:(
Just some info that maybe helpful or encourage some feed back:)
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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2013, 09:05:29 am »
    I also have been restoring a 70 'Q' code. I have come to the conclusion that the scoops have no emblems or scripts.

Have to agree.  Had asked similar question on Concours Mustang.

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=5701.0


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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2013, 02:47:13 am »
Here's my conclusion, since my car was built close to the supposed change over from solid black numbers in the stripe to black numbers with the white outline and no one seems to be able to absolutely say what is correct, I am going with the solid black "428" in the stripe and no script on the scoop. As someone else mentioned, if the correct answer is eventually found, the change is not that big of a deal.
Next question: what is the correct paint for the textured black stripes?
07 Sport Trac Limited 4x4  V8
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75 Bronco (393 Windsor, NV3550 5-speed)
70 Mach 1 Q code (428 CJ, 4-speed)
68 Cougar X code (390, C6)
67 Ranchero (460 C6, Pro Street)

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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2013, 08:37:52 am »
Next question: what is the correct paint for the textured black stripes?

This might help.

http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=57750.0

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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2013, 11:58:01 pm »
Have you looked through this board?

http://www.428cobrajet.org/forum/index.php/board,7.0.html

Scott.. just a little FYI you may already know but in the post on the VMF, you had some part numbers for hood decals.
This one: Black, from 12/1/69   351   D0ZZ-16B621-G
is most certainly Black with a White outline. I have a NOS pair in the original service parts packaging.
I will post a pic soon for everyone..
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Re: 1970 Q Code Hood Scoop Question
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2015, 11:26:16 am »
The maintenance manual shows both an engine CID badge and/or the CobraJet script on the non-functional scoop.  In as much as the hood stripe incorporates the 428 to represent the CID it would seem the desiners would not also install the CID badge immediately adjacent.  It would follow that the CobraJet script would have been installed af Ford was understandably proud of the Name.
I placed the CobraJet script on my restored Q Code scoop centered about 1/3 of the way back from the front edge of the scoop.  Looks great and I don't think, given the way these cars were built, anyone can dispute that this does not represent an example of an original.