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Offline 70cj428

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1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« on: November 22, 2014, 03:37:13 pm »
Does anyone have any period photos of the engine compartment and interior of any of the Winternationals cars ?
There are 2 photos from magazine articles running around the net, one appears to be Hubert Platts SS/E  "985" car, can anyone identify the other one ?  It's not Huberts  c/sa car cause its running a sidewinder, and seems to be missing the cool can that the HM prepped cars got.... ( mustang monthly identified it as Tasca's KR8, which i'm sure it isn't, it may be Tasca'S SS car )

I'm building a clone to go racing with, and want it as close as possible....

Heres the 2 pic's I found so far .....

Thanks,  John
« Last Edit: November 22, 2014, 09:25:12 pm by 70cj428 »
70 "R" code Mach1, Wimbleton White / Vermillion, Auto, AC,
70 "Q" code Mach1, Grabber Green / White, Auto,AC
70 "M" code Mach1, Med. Gold / Ginger, Auto, AC
68 "S" code GT Fastback, Wimbleton White / Black deluxe int.,4 speed, AC, (getting a 427SO..)

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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2014, 11:05:28 pm »
What heads we're used on the Winternational CJ cars?  The spark plugs insert angles do not resemble a 428 CJ.

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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2014, 09:03:03 am »
This is my 1969 Super Stocker but the cool can came from Hubert's Winternationals car.



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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2014, 10:45:59 am »
What heads we're used on the Winternational CJ cars?  The spark plugs insert angles do not resemble a 428 CJ.

C8AE 6090 J
same plug angle as the later N heads Ken

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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2014, 11:25:57 am »
   John,
       I believe both are Hubert's car. I believe he said "he" made that particular carb hold down device. The one with Hubert in the picture is simply a little later after the cool can was added and the valve cover breather caps changed.
       The spark plug angles were "normal" on the "J" heads the cars used as Kerry pointed out.
    Randy
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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2014, 01:02:36 pm »
Thanks guys,

     This is a great help. I bought the cool can that was advertised on eBay about a year ago, I supposedly came from Harold Dutton who got it from Hubert Platt...... It's obviously not the one from his ss/e car as you (rusty) have that one, so it's either off hia C/SA car or the whole story is BS. It's definitely an original HM can but since I'm told HM prepped about 20 cars, I'll probably never figure out where it came from. I have pretty much everything else I need under the hood to look authentic and inside (still up in the air about the roll bar, the 3 point bar will limit me to 11.50) Not sure what I'm gonna do with the rear suspension yet either ......

Here's what I'm planning under the hood:

sidewinder with a AA carb
"Powered by Ford" Chrome covers with 427 Fairlane caps
C5AF-E 427 distributor
C8AX pan
Dougs headers (can't get a straight answer if they fit......)
No front sway bar, drum brakes, and manual steering
battery in the trunk
engine is actually a 427 SO with a 4.25 crank for now, plan on a stroked 428 eventually. I have a set of "J" heads but between being milled to death an 2 repaired chambers they may stay on the shelf.

Car itself is a late 390 gt fastback, It will be black non gt, standard interior, heater and radio delete.
(Actually had to change alot, as the car was a deluxe interior, am-fm, ac, ps, pdb car)

Would like your opinion on the rear suspension, not sure weither to copy the old ladder bar setup or go the caltrac route. I'm a little hesitant make mods that would be a b***h to undo....

Thanks again for your help, John

70 "R" code Mach1, Wimbleton White / Vermillion, Auto, AC,
70 "Q" code Mach1, Grabber Green / White, Auto,AC
70 "M" code Mach1, Med. Gold / Ginger, Auto, AC
68 "S" code GT Fastback, Wimbleton White / Black deluxe int.,4 speed, AC, (getting a 427SO..)

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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2014, 01:58:33 pm »
  You might ask David Garton for a pic of the cool can in his 135 car ( also prepped at HMS Long Beach).
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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2014, 02:47:15 pm »
I sent you some good stuff via email John
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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2014, 04:31:06 pm »
This was on my 1969 but came off of Hubert's car.



Fuel pumps from the 1968

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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2014, 05:43:28 pm »
That seems like a goofy place to put the electric pumps, up front like that, where they pull instead of push, but I won't argue with Hubert :)  The Cal Tracs seem to work great.  That drag car I had picked up a couple of tenths (when the PO had it) just changing to them and you don't have to do the welding for the original style.  However....the original / Thunderbolt looking bars are way cool!
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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2014, 07:11:42 pm »
That seems like a goofy place to put the electric pumps, up front like that, where they pull instead of push, but I won't argue with Hubert :)

I'm not sure what you're seeing in the photos, rockhouse66.  To me it looks like the pumps are mounted just ahead of the gas tank where everyone put them.  Am I missing something?

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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2014, 08:36:26 pm »
Well I am wacky.  I thought that tube was the steering column!  ::)  Never mind.
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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2014, 09:51:20 pm »
Well I am wacky.  I thought that tube was the steering column!  ::)  Never mind.

Well, you're not entirely wacky...if that tube had been the steering column, that would have been a "goofy" spot!  :D

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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2014, 10:50:34 am »
        HMS had some serious craftsmen that enjoyed making light , functional parts as you can see by the detail put into simple bracketry. The "Logghe" style traction bars were dual on the stick cars @32"s in length while the automatics got a single 28" bar.  These were a step up ( and far lighter) from the original box tubing design employed on earlier drag cars from HMS. That was a common placement for the SW pumps starting withthe '65 Shelby "R" model.
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Re: 1968 Winternationals engine pic's .....
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2014, 04:32:49 pm »
Where are you John????   (Location)

Have some parts I can bring you

Mark

P.s.  I bought a set of J heads for Ben in Dearborn (not sure if
he used/has)
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