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IS this a real CJ hood?
« on: July 02, 2016, 04:08:05 am »
Hey guy's. i am new here and just bought a 1970 CJ and a boss302  but now i was wondering if the hood on the CJ is the correct one? because i can only find picture's of the cobra jet ram air with a shaker hood. see picture's

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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2016, 04:36:55 am »
Sorry, Your car has the 'R' code designation in the VIN, that is the incorrect hood for that particular car. That car should have the shaker hood and shaker air cleaner assy.
Original and correct shakers are hard to come by, the 428 Cobra Jet has a unique one, check the component ID section for all the particulars. Hoods are reproduced with Ford Tooling, But a correct and original are hard to come by also.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2016, 09:12:36 am »
Sorry, Your car has the 'R' code designation in the VIN, that is the incorrect hood for that particular car. That car should have the shaker hood and shaker air cleaner assy.
Original and correct shakers are hard to come by, the 428 Cobra Jet has a unique one, check the component ID section for all the particulars. Hoods are reproduced with Ford Tooling, But a correct and original are hard to come by also.
     It might be a Ford hood but it is at the very least the wrong Ford hood for your car. I'm guessing a front end wreck in it's earlier life that the owner didn't have "full coverage insurance". The flat hood would of been easier to find used. As I recall there wasn't a shaker replacement hood so $$ was saved by not having to cut the shaker hole.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2016, 09:26:48 am »
The guys are right, 99.9999% of the time.

 However, there are rare oddities that must be considered before anything is changed. According to the Marti report website, Ford did make substitutions and deletions especially at the end of a model year or run.  First get a Marti report, then check the date codes on the hood and hinges and core support and aprons and engine and engine parts and everywhere else that you can find them on the car.  Take pictures of the hood and the underside as well and do some research and look for the build sheet under the seats.

If the hood and shaker assembly is missing, then prove it.

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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2016, 10:42:50 am »
The guys are right, 99.9999% of the time.

 However, there are rare oddities that must be considered before anything is changed. According to the Marti report website, Ford did make substitutions and deletions especially at the end of a model year or run.  First get a Marti report, then check the date codes on the hood and hinges and core support and aprons and engine and engine parts and everywhere else that you can find them on the car.  Take pictures of the hood and the underside as well and do some research and look for the build sheet under the seats.

If the hood and shaker assembly is missing, then prove it.

You are the only person here that would suspect this could be original and a substitution due to shortage. Everything is not a mystery with regards to 68-70 428 CJ production. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof not the other way around. Some things do not need to debated and the fact the hood has been replaced and Ram Air has been removed on this R code car is one of them. Come join the 99.9% we have new things to figure together.
The chances the Ram was stolen at some point in this used cars life is far greater than a substitution or shortage but perhaps not as mysterious. I am not disagreeing with Kevin this is just not one of the cases. We have known ones

Welcome americancarpartner nice original California driven car you have and betting it is a solid piece. If the plate is original the car has been in California since later 1970 or 1971 at the latest. Sometimes a Metuchen car like yours will be sold into the western region and have a DSO from California. More common to just have someone move and take a car with them though. Based on this, likely the hood was replaced many years ago and painted with the typical cheap synthetic paint to match which fades faster than the original Enamel. I like the extra Black triangle on the scoop. Someone forgot the bumper brackets to fender at the time as well. We can help with a template if you want to cut the hood and the Shaker can be purchased used or partially with the new nice repro parts being stamped. Have a look for a date stamp on the underside of the hood if that is important to you and a restoration. Your car was likely built near the end of September 1969 and sheet metal dates are not year specific just month then day. Regardless if original or not you want a date match like year/month with a 5 6 7 for month example 6 27 D2   June 27 Dearborn plant 2nd shift.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2016, 11:07:07 am »
     It's really hard to imagine this is original. Substituting parts on an option that the buy paid good money for is too far fetched for me.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2016, 11:07:32 am »
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     Yes, welcome and congratulations on two very nice cars.  The date stamps on my hood are 9  6  W3 and the MARTI production date is Sept. 19, 1968.  So... about 2 weeks difference.  Lots of great ' factoids ' on the site posted and compiled by forum member Marcus Anghel.  As Kerry has mentioned plenty of information here as well.  Brian
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2016, 11:19:39 am »
As I've said before, there is no crime in "maybe".  It's so obvious the hood is not original based on common knowledge that it's worth checking out, simple enough.

On the Marti.com website, there is a story that Kevin tells of scuffing and repainting a fender as an example of a cost saving move that the factory did if they we're short of parts at the end of a run.

The left fender on my late 68 fastback has a patch of paint missing revealing lime green paint.  I always thought that it was a junkyard fender. I took another look at it. The lime green gauges out at 3 mils so it's likely the fender was repainted by Ford before the car was delivered to the selling dealer.

 The hood on this 70 has a date code and the car has a birthdate, that's a good place to start. These cars have over a hundred date codes and clues. Each car has a story to tell and once all the known facts are put together there is a surprise here and there.   

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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2016, 11:50:09 am »
Maybe it's the correct R code hood but somewhere along the way the shaker was sold and a Q code scoop was installed over the shaker hole.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2016, 11:54:48 am »
That would be great news !!
I blew up the pic but just can't tell if there is a hole or not.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2016, 12:06:08 pm »
The hood appears to be painted a different color than the rest of the car. No way that scoop is correct for any R code Mustang. The time to buy the correct ram air setup is now. The price of that stuff goes up, never down.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2016, 12:21:26 pm »
     The easiest answer is generally the correct answer. As for Ford repainting panels on the line, I'm skeptical about that. My wife worked at a Mercury dealership from the mid 80's on. The dealers fixed shipping dings. Makes sense to me. Why staff a crew for the occasional oops. Pass that work down to the dealers under warranty work.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2016, 12:28:19 pm »
hey guy's thx for all of the info, i have the marti report on both cars and it was build on 09/23/69 i will post some pict of it here.
if the hood is the wrong one i have found a correct one from scott drake and the shaker parts are all availeble with Dynacorn.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2016, 01:04:28 pm »
     Bummer, you have the wrong motor also.
6L8 is November 8 1966. No CJ blocks made that early.
C7AE isn't the casting number for CJ heads.


     At least one of your Marti reports is for a Boss 302. You need to contact Marti to get the correct report. But first, don't delay on this one minute. Verify your title to the VIN on the car. Someone should chime in on where the official VIN is on the cars in 1970. Please do this fast. This isn't looking very good at the moment.
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Re: IS this a real CJ hood?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2016, 01:38:49 pm »
hey  yes, one car is the cobra jet and the other one is a boss 302 the report's are correct