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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2017, 11:27:46 am »
    Dennis ,
        Thanks for reaching out to Domenic!  When I got the call from Bruce I was not prepared for what he was saying and quickly began taking notes. OBVIOUSLY Domenic was there and his corrections fine tune what Bruce related to me . Bruce did not mention Domenic's name , only that he did them in his garage. He did mention Paramount but I was writing so fast I wasn't sure of the name so I didn't mention it. Bruce said it was a core pattern developed "upstairs"  by a guy in scientific engine . He probably didn't mention Buckmaster thinking I wouldn't know who he was. Did Domenic mention that BS was stamped on the end of each head? Bruce did. Bruce and I covered many subjects in our phone conversation including the Preparation H Maverick and his later Pinto race car . At one time I owned the 58MM downdraft Webers that were on the Maverick . Bruce said they were given to him by Denny Wu another engineer with a tremendous history/reputation.
     Bill Holbrook was a TRUE gentleman. He spent hours telling me stories and laying out "how" things happened versus the "myths" people created.  He was truly surprised someone outside of Detroit knew so much about what they did.  I gave him my copy of the SK information I had to keep and it brought tears to his eyes , saying "these were all my guys". He opened many lines of communication for me. It would be hard to equal his passion for Ford performance. RIP.
     Thursday evening , I spent three hours with Bob Wendland another retired Ford Race group engineer that interacted with Bruce ( and all the others). He was eager to get in contact with Bruce again and that will happen after my next contact with Bruce. One of my questions to Bob was "was it just a job or was the atmosphere as magic as we envision it?"  He replied with a sparkle in his eye that they knew they were special stuff. It was a sad day when "the plug was pulled"  His last project before he left Ford was an Escort head ( there were in fact three designs but only one made it to production status.
    I also met up after many years with Mike Chanter who was a self described "gopher" at EEE. Mike was aware of clandestine projects during his time there.

         Thanks as always Dennis.
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2017, 11:49:36 am »
 Hello all: Great to see the story finally out! I can confirm the Barrie Poole story. I have been in contact with Barrie and he did confirm it. Tonys recollection after was Barrie saying 'you obviously build the motors' which Tony thought to mean he was being to easy on them? Other than that Tony said Barrie did not tell him anything else about the pass. Tony watched intently but nothing stood out as different that he could perceive, but the pass was quicker.
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2017, 12:10:39 pm »
I just love reading this type of stuff! Thanks guys for sharing. I always knew these cylinder heads were 'special' yet now reading the stories they really are!
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2017, 12:58:32 pm »
Hello again: Forgot about the picture which I found on this site and had both Barrie and Tony sign. It would have been from class run off, Tony's car just out of Stroppes shop with paint still soft! Barrie of course went on to win SS. Hope you enjoy.
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2017, 06:50:02 pm »
Barrie told me he should have won the 1969 Winter Nationals too .The guy that won the event red lighted against him and somehow they gave the other guy the win light . NHRA admitted the mistake but didn't correct it , he could have won it 3 years in a row if that hadn't happened .
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2017, 07:33:16 pm »
Sop here's a proposal for text to be added to the web site based on information provided by Randy and Dennis in this thread. Please let me know if I have anything wrong. I did do some editing to expand acronyms, add punctuation, and the like.

From Randy:

"I just got off of the phone with Bruce Sizemore, a retired Ford Motor Company employee. Bruce was THE man behind that run of heads. There was NO paperwork of any kind as they were NOT Ford authorized! Bruce "went upstairs" to the "Scientific Engine Department" guys and had them make a new intake port core pattern that flowed 30-40 more cfm (by his recollection) and had them cast at the (in house) prototype foundry. They were not machined at Ford for fear of being "caught". The machine shop (through a blueprint conflict) only drilled one accessory hole in the end of the head when they were made. Bruce also stamped his initials ("BS") on the end of EVERY head. The valve jobs were done by Al Buckmaster in his garage at his house. Lightweight valves were supplied by Junior from Holman & Moody in Charlotte, North Carolina. When the heads were finished Bruce personally handed them out to guys like Ken McLelland, Barrie Poole, Hubert Platt, and others. Cars equipped with them ran at least three tenths of a second faster (according to Bruce) than those with "production" heads. Racers quickly discovered the missing bolt hole situation so Bruce rigged up a jig to drill and tap the missing hole, and this was done overnight at the US Nationals. It was at that point the decision was made to grind off the "BS" initials and paint the heads corporate blue. The hands were left off of the clock dial by mistake - they were supposed to be there. When some Drag Council members noticed the improved time of their fellow Ford racers the rumors began to fly and cars were torn down but not caught (initially) by NHRA's Marty Barrett. Monday morning after the race, Bruce was summoned to his boss's (Emile Loeffler) office and given the "DON'T DO THAT AGAIN!!!" speech - to which he replied "What?"

The "Canadian" moniker came when Jerry Harvey (who didn't have them) spotted them during his and Barry Poole's (who did have them) side-by-side tear-down at Indy. Bruce feels it was either Jerry or his father Paul (the Ford dealer) who "ratted" him out to his boss Emile."

From Dennis (channelling Domenic Garofali):

"This was 1969. Al Buckmaster at Scientific did the cores, which were 427 Medium Risers.  The heads were cast at DIF (Dearborn Iron Foundry - Rouge) on Sunday, when service or specials were normally run.  Machining, except valve seats, were done at Paramount Boring on a tape machine, as experimentals or specials were not normally run on production equipment. Dom did the valve job at his house in Dearborn Heights. Initially, he recalled that eleven sets, all with lightweight valves, were driven down to Indy in his 67 Galaxie.  Dom and a friend of Len Richter, who worked with Len as a test driver at the Safety Labs, drove at 90 mph down to Indy. The test driver (Dom couldn't recall his name) got ticketed in Coldwater, MI for speeding. Dom was sleeping in the back seat, where they had a couple of glass jugs with kerosene and automatic transmission fluid. The cop asked him what that was and Dom said, "CC juice".  The heads were delivered to Paul Harvey's Ford dealership where the selected cars were already torn down for cylinder head installation. Jerry's car did not get one of these sets, as the class he was running required heavy valves. Paul wanted a set, so Dom called Emil Loeffler and was told to take a set over to Louie Meyer (Indy Engines) to see if they could do the required machining work because they didn't have the correct tools.  Domenic flew commercial first class from Indy back to Detroit, took a cab home, finished another set with heavy valves, then his dad drove him back to the airport.  Dom said he installed rocker stands and shafts on the pair of cylinder heads to use as handles and wrapped them up. He carried them on the plane back to Indy for installation on Jerry's car. Dom said this idea and the project was totally Bruce's idea, however Dom said Emil knew about it."

A question: what should we say about the person who did the valve jobs? Randy's source Bruce says Al Buckmaster, Dennis' source Dom says he did them. What was Dom's title at Ford?
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2017, 08:56:04 pm »
Barrie didn't have them at Indy that is when he first heard of them .
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2017, 06:08:46 am »
Barrie didn't have them at Indy that is when he first heard of them .

So these sentences are incorrect?

"The "Canadian" moniker came when Jerry Harvey (who didn't have them) spotted them during his and Barry Poole's (who did have them) side-by-side tear-down at Indy. Bruce feels it was either Jerry or his father Paul (the Ford dealer) who "ratted" him out to his boss Emile."
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2017, 09:56:07 am »
When I bought my 1969 Mustang body (was a Q code but was one of the Boss 302 test cars) from Hubert Platt in 1970 I also got a set of Canadian heads and here are a few photos of the last one I had that was sold a few years ago. I was at Paul Harvey Ford when the heads were changed on Hubert's cars during Indy 1969.

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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2017, 10:43:47 am »
   Scott,
       I'm going to yield to Domenic on doing the valve job as Bruce was bouncing around a bit as I look at the notes I took. Some stuff was a bit unclear like "another guy and I loaded up a Galaxie wagon and took them to INDY" . According to Domenic , it was he that went with Bruce. Maybe Bruce felt I wouldn't know who Domenic was and just left off his name. I will find out during the next conversation.
     Many guys ( including myself at times) do things they don't feel merits talking about , but is fascinating to many. When others ask , the information flows like crazy. I have so many unanswered questions and seize every opportunity I can to expand my knowledge from guys who were there. There is a ton of "guesswork" information out there that needs to be corrected.
     Thank you for your quest to have the CORRECT information on the cars we enjoy so much.
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2017, 12:05:54 pm »
Barrie didn't have them at Indy that is when he first heard of them .

So these sentences are incorrect?

"The "Canadian" moniker came when Jerry Harvey (who didn't have them) spotted them during his and Barry Poole's (who did have them) side-by-side tear-down at Indy. Bruce feels it was either Jerry or his father Paul (the Ford dealer) who "ratted" him out to his boss Emile."

Some of it can not be true .I should try and get ahold of Jerry Harvey he lives in my town.I know Barrie didn't get any until sometime after the 69 Indy race .Not positive how they became known as Canadian heads but Barrie and John ran as well as the teams with them so people assumed they had them . But because they were short shifting compared to others was their advantage and they drove very well`.
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2017, 04:13:51 pm »
here are a few photos of the last one I had that was sold a few years ago...

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I might be denser than usual today, but try as I might I can't orient myself as to what the "card" with the mark on it is "measuring"...obviously "depth", but depth of what?

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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2017, 04:34:36 pm »
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I might be denser than usual today, but try as I might I can't orient myself as to what the "card" with the mark on it is "measuring"...obviously "depth", but depth of what?

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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2017, 04:57:22 pm »
  I'll know more the next time I speak with Bruce. He WAS the guy behind them from the start. HE drove a set up to Barrie in Canada in the trunk of a '69 Boss 302. That is FOR SURE. I will get verification on the rest of the stuff in the next contact. There was a group effort on this and for the moment some of the players haven't been identified. So far Bruce , Al ,Domenic and Tony were at the initial "meeting" Bruce had on the subject.
 
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Re: After 49 years the "secret" is out on 'Canadian" heads.....
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2017, 05:09:02 pm »
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       Rusty took a piece of paper and drew a line where it stopped in the Canadian head and then put the paper in the production CJ head to illustrate how much larger the port was further into the head. The port opening was about the same but the CC volume of the intake port ( and it's shape) was FAR different on the Canadian head.
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