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1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« on: September 12, 2018, 11:53:45 pm »
Car was sold new at Spitzer Ford in Elyria Ohio.  Red, Black interior 4spd Traction Lok 4:30 Staggered Shock car one of one.  I've tracked the history back to about 1971 when it was painted black and had been drag raced extensively since new, but by whom and where I do not know.  It is not the Elliot Car out of Canada or "Nemesis" also out of Canada.

The car was neglected and left outside for 15 years and will need extensive restoration. Engine is a February 1969 428CJ. Trans is a 1970 Rug AZ with a 011266 VIN stamp.

I am trying to locate any information about the car from its first year or two and its drag racing history.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2018, 07:08:52 pm »
Grrrrrreat find!

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2018, 10:54:52 pm »
Cool find! Saved another one...
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2018, 10:55:49 am »
There were only 64 stick cars built, Congrats on that find :)  Important note that Production numbers are all based off the 2 body types 93 XR7 and 91 Standard. Staggered shock 68 R codes are the rarest of all Cougars and scarcely ever seen. The rear floor and spare tire location are entirely different between auto and stick unlike the added Mustang reinforcements. Love these cars and currently restoring the only Black one remaining of 3 produced. It's not a 4.30 though ;) These are challenging and expensive to restore to top level due to parts availability compared to Mustangs. Lots of trim and chrome and interior that has to be restored from cores or made from scratch like door panels.
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2018, 11:29:34 am »
There were only 64 stick cars built, Congrats on that find :)  Important note that Production numbers are all based off the 2 body types 93 XR7 and 91 Standard. Staggered shock 68 R codes are the rarest of all Cougars and scarcely ever seen. The rear floor and spare tire location are entirely different between auto and stick unlike the added Mustang reinforcements. Love these cars and currently restoring the only Black one remaining of 3 produced. It's not a 4.30 though ;) These are challenging and expensive to restore to top level due to parts availability compared to Mustangs. Lots of trim and chrome and interior that has to be restored from cores or made from scratch like door panels.

I am supposed to be getting the "personalized" Marti Report that should break it down.  I am quite sure it is a one of one, and not just because of the AM radio.  ;)  I will post a pic of that when I get it.  Here is the regular Marti report

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2018, 02:46:58 pm »
Only 48 with that engine and transmission. Great car.
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2018, 04:00:27 pm »
Awesome find, good luck with whatever you decide to do with it from here!

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2018, 04:53:16 pm »
Only 48 with that engine and transmission. Great car.

This is also a "disc brake delete" car. All CJ's came automatically with power disc brakes. This car had that required option specifically deleted because drag racers did not like disc brakes back then. The components were heavier and created a slight drag on the rotors that could rob one or two MPH from a run.  So when this car was ordered, the power disc brakes were specifically deleted. This should make it the only one built like this with the 4:30 "drag pack" option. Although they were not using that name in marketing, it would come to be known that by 1969 when they were advertising it as the "drag pack" option. Many people think that this 1969 "drag pack" option came with an oil cooler, but the early 1969 428 SCJ "drag pack" cars did not have oil coolers.

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2018, 12:10:23 pm »
Only 48 with that engine and transmission. Great car.

This is also a "disc brake delete" car. All CJ's came automatically with power disc brakes. This car had that required option specifically deleted because drag racers did not like disc brakes back then. The components were heavier and created a slight drag on the rotors that could rob one or two MPH from a run.  So when this car was ordered, the power disc brakes were specifically deleted. This should make it the only one built like this with the 4:30 "drag pack" option. Although they were not using that name in marketing, it would come to be known that by 1969 when they were advertising it as the "drag pack" option. Many people think that this 1969 "drag pack" option came with an oil cooler, but the early 1969 428 SCJ "drag pack" cars did not have oil coolers.

It is not a disc brake delete car. 1968 R code Cougars were not mandatory optioned like Mustangs and Torino for PDB. I suspect it was perhaps due to the Cougars were expensive by comparison. We know they were heavier but that is a different debate than your brake through. ;) Your Marti Report just does not show the extra cost Power Disc Brake option just like it also does not show wheels because it came with hubcaps. Could be why it is 1 of 1  :)
I have a collection of reports if you need examples and we did that round on the old Cougar forum about a decade ago.

There were 16 XR7 body 93 hardtop to add to the 48 above as I previously posted 64 total. It can get confusing ha
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2018, 02:07:09 pm »
Only 48 with that engine and transmission. Great car.

This is also a "disc brake delete" car. All CJ's came automatically with power disc brakes. This car had that required option specifically deleted because drag racers did not like disc brakes back then. The components were heavier and created a slight drag on the rotors that could rob one or two MPH from a run.  So when this car was ordered, the power disc brakes were specifically deleted. This should make it the only one built like this with the 4:30 "drag pack" option. Although they were not using that name in marketing, it would come to be known that by 1969 when they were advertising it as the "drag pack" option. Many people think that this 1969 "drag pack" option came with an oil cooler, but the early 1969 428 SCJ "drag pack" cars did not have oil coolers.

It is not a disc brake delete car. 1968 R code Cougars were not mandatory optioned like Mustangs and Torino for PDB. I suspect it was perhaps due to the Cougars were expensive by comparison. We know they were heavier but that is a different debate than your brake through. ;) Your Marti Report just does not show the extra cost Power Disc Brake option just like it also does not show wheels because it came with hubcaps. Could be why it is 1 of 1  :)
I have a collection of reports if you need examples and we did that round on the old Cougar forum about a decade ago.

There were 16 XR7 body 93 hardtop to add to the 48 above as I previously posted 64 total. It can get confusing ha


Well this is for the experts to debate since it was one of the Cougar World experts that relayed this to me.  I am certainly not a Cougar expert.  It was my understanding that ANY car that came with the 428CJ was required have certain options such as the heavy duty suspension or the staggered shocks if it was a 4spd.  However some Marti-reports show the disc brakes on them and some don't. Is there any documentation from Mercury that shows disc brakes were not a mandatory option on 428 Cougars?  From what I have learned from being in the car hobby for so many years, anything is possible. 
« Last Edit: September 17, 2018, 02:12:23 pm by Karguy »

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2018, 02:37:51 pm »
 Yes sir I have invoices examples of each with and without line item cost. I have congratulated you and tried to add some value to your cause.
I see you are learning from your first version of your last post to this last edited version so must be checking around with experts now. My name is Kerry Wortman and I stand behind the literally 1000's of posts made by sportworty on many forums for over 15 yrs. I don't do drive by snipes or look for trouble, make crap up and so on...
Not an expert but happy to debate yours, send em over.  ;D we can discuss the GT option, wheel well moldings, hubcaps and other assumptions in the 68 Cougar world.
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2018, 02:45:37 pm »
You show me where it says anywhere Power Disc Brake Delete on a document generated from Ford and I will jump in my truck, drive to your house and take you out for big steak dinner and fill your car up with race gas. ;D

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2018, 04:51:36 pm »
LOL... I'm not picking a fight with anyone. Just trying to sort through the information to determine what is fact, opinion or speculation.  My question about whether or not Mercury had any written policy or literature or anything else stating that there was no "mandatory" options when getting the 428CJ, (unlike Ford's apparently mandatory options like the HD supsension) was not meant to disparage, only to educate myself and others.   All opinions, facts and speculation welcome! 

Is there a wheel well molding, hub cap debate I am not aware of?

Is there a link to the previous debate from a decade ago I can read?

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2018, 05:28:27 pm »
     Different horse, different race. The Marti on my 1969 Sportsroof 428SCJ W code with auto makes no mention of disc brakes as to add or delete. It has drum brakes.
     The Marti on my 1969 Mach1 428SCJ W code 4 speed does mention disc brakes which it does have.
     Lots of old stories have fallen apart with the access to the Marti reports.
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2018, 05:38:55 pm »
     Different horse, different race. The Marti on my 1969 Sportsroof 428SCJ W code with auto makes no mention of disc brakes as to add or delete. It has drum brakes.
     The Marti on my 1969 Mach1 428SCJ W code 4 speed does mention disc brakes which it does have.
     Lots of old stories have fallen apart with the access to the Marti reports.

I guess the only way to sort out the question would be to review the actual invoices or window stickers to see if there was a charge on the invoice that matched the Marti-report or not.