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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2018, 06:16:41 pm »
     Different horse, different race. The Marti on my 1969 Sportsroof 428SCJ W code with auto makes no mention of disc brakes as to add or delete. It has drum brakes.
     The Marti on my 1969 Mach1 428SCJ W code 4 speed does mention disc brakes which it does have.
     Lots of old stories have fallen apart with the access to the Marti reports.

I guess the only way to sort out the question would be to review the actual invoices or window stickers to see if there was a charge on the invoice that matched the Marti-report or not.

Think of it this way perhaps. If it's called out on the Marti or Invoice it left the line installed on the car. If it is not called out as a separate line item then it was not installed. Ford did not give options away for free. We have original cars to consider as well as paperwork to evaluate and compare. There are Marti Reports with deletes but they are items like emissions on export cars and heaters on cars to Hawaii etc.
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2018, 10:07:11 pm »
Are you the one that owns the Elliot car?

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2018, 11:22:23 pm »
No I do not own the Black Automatic Transmission Cougar that Bill Quay and his son restored a long time ago

This is my car as mentioned in first post
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2018, 12:57:13 am »
Wow, very cool car!  The reverse colors of mine.  Did you get an original invoice from Kevin or a personalized report about your car? 

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2018, 01:30:06 am »
Thank you, I have pretty decent docs for this car as well as a solid ownership trail that has been amazing adventure.
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2018, 01:45:37 pm »
Well it is official. This the ONLY 1968 Cougar 428 Cobra Jet 4spd Cobra Jet that came with the ultra high 4:30 traction lok drag racing rear axle ratio.

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2018, 02:01:01 pm »
Well it is official. This the ONLY 1968 Cougar 428 Cobra Jet 4spd Cobra Jet that came with the ultra high 4:30 traction lok drag racing rear axle ratio.

Not really...of the two Cardinal Red CJ Cougars with black decor interior it is the only one with 4.30.

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2018, 02:14:21 pm »
Well then what good is a personalized Marti-report?????  If it only tells you that your car is a "one of two" with black seats, it does not really serve much purpose.   A waste of $60?
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2018, 05:02:25 pm »
I didn't mean to "rain on your parade" but I wanted you to understand how to properly read the report.  You have a lot of information on your car and it is rare and unique.  A lot of people have paid the extra money for the report and proudly display it with their car.  We (Ford owners) are fortunate Ford released the records to Kevin and he offers the service.


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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2018, 06:11:27 pm »
What is frustrating is that there were 19 emails back and forth between them and myself. It was very clear that i was excited to document an early version of the "drag pack" option on this 68.5 and how rare that was out of ALL the 428CJ cars. Instead they told me how rare it was on red cars with black seats.

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2018, 07:15:27 pm »
The report is based on the standard hardtop and does not include any XR7 cars.
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2018, 01:36:28 pm »
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If it only tells you that your car is a "one of two" with black seats, it does not really serve much purpose.

Basically, for $60.00, Kevin Marti makes your car as exclusive as he can, working down the option list till your car is "one of one" or "one of two". It's actually kid of hard to get a car that's more than "one of two", especially because the muscle cars were usually heavily optioned. I've seen where he has actually had to use the DSO to make a car one of one. ( "and of those two cars, only one was delivered to Philadelphia. 0T05RXXXXXX)  If you really want to know "How many 1968 Cougars came with a 428CJ and 4:30 gears" you can request this and he'll charge you a research fee by the hour to find the answer. Every car I've gotten a Marti Report for was one of one ( 9 so far) so the one of one thing doesn't carry a lot of weight with most die hard enthusiasts.

As for the Drum Brake thing, in 1968, All normally ordered 428 optioned Mustangs had to be GT's .Power Disc brakes were mandatory with 390 or 428 GT's, so by default all 68 428 Mustangs were disc brake cars. The only exception to this were the first 50 "135 cars" which were all non GT drum brake cars, but that order was generated internally by Ford. In 69 and 70, the 428 was available in any body style or option level, so drum brake cars are not uncommon.

Another thing to remember is that sometimes cars "slip through the cracks" and get built, like the 4 speed GTE's or the 70 4speed AC cars.

4:30 geared CJ's  aren't uncommon in a Mustang and since there was no "Drag Pack" till 69, I'd be really surprised if your car was the only 4:30 gear 428 Cougar. That said, ANY 428CJ cougar is rare, and being Red/Black also makes your car really desirable.

JMHO, John

(Just FYI, sportyworty (Kerry) is one of the foremost experts in the country on 68 1/2 Mustangs and Cougars (and an all around great guy) , He's a great resource for both parts and information......)

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2018, 03:51:34 pm »
The owner of this car has posted on the Cougar site he is listing this car tonight on Ebay at no reserve.
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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2018, 03:03:44 pm »
Over $9,000 in less than 20 hours.  Interesting to watch. 

The 1968 R-code registry provided this data

To partially answer your question of how many 4:30 68.5 cars there were - we have 7 reported to the database. 5 are 4-speeds, and 2 are C6's. 6 are standard (91) Cougars, and one is an XR7. None of them are restored, and 3 are possibly parted out.

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Re: 1968.5 Cougar 428CJ R-Code 4spd 4:30 Car Found
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2018, 04:41:03 pm »
Good luck with your sale.
If you do sell it you will also have the added benefit of people here not busting your chops like some did when you were merely trying to tell everyone about your vehicle.
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