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Looking at this 428...
« on: December 07, 2018, 11:05:47 am »
Greeting all:

I'm new to owning Mustangs but have always loved them (I currently only have Chevys and Pontiacs). I'm considering this Cobra Jet for purchase and was hoping to get some feedback regarding the listing and the price. Please tell me what you think. Any help would be great!  Mid $90K is their asking...


https://www.idealclassiccars.net/vehicles/126/1969-ford-mustang-mach-1

Here is a photo of the build sheet:



Here is a photo of the Marti Report:



And here is what they sent me regarding the partial VIN engine stamp



They represent the car as matching numbers engine, tranny, and original rear axle.  I have seen photos of the car on a hoist and it looks good so far.  I'm having a professional pre-purchase inspection and appraisal next week.  Thanks again for any help.  Also, if this type of question is not allowed, please let me know, and I can delete the post.  I looked in the FAQ, and could not find any notice that questions like this were prohibited.

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2018, 12:22:04 pm »
The font type on the engine stamping is not consistent with ones I've seen on original cars. They are spaced too far apart and it's unusually neat. And mid 90s seems a bit high to me for an automatic 3.50 open rear car in today's market.
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2018, 12:57:49 pm »
The font type on the engine stamping is not consistent with ones I've seen on original cars. They are spaced too far apart and it's unusually neat. And mid 90s seems a bit high to me for an automatic 3.50 open rear car in today's market.

Thanks so much for the feedback!  Very helpful.  Can you offer an opinion on what a more reasonable price might be for an automatic, 3.50, open rear car in today's market?

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2018, 01:30:06 pm »
Mid $90's is a very high price for an automatic that isn't close to perfect.  There has definitely been some metal work (look at the top of the aprons) which would suggest there may be other work.  They also didn't take the the time to do the apron repair work correctly.  I am never a fan of the aftermarket comfortweave and most definitely not on a top dollar car.  The dash looks like it needs to be rechromed.  The car looks very nice - just saying that $90K is a big number and should be reserved for very special cars.

I think your smart to have it inspected and appraised.  My guess is the appraisal will not be close to the asking price.


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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2018, 01:43:47 pm »
Mid $90's is a very high price for an automatic that isn't close to perfect.  There has definitely been some metal work (look at the top of the aprons) which would suggest there may be other work.  They also didn't take the the time to do the apron repair work correctly.  I am never a fan of the aftermarket comfortweave and most definitely not on a top dollar car.  The dash looks like it needs to be rechromed.  The car looks very nice - just saying that $90K is a big number and should be reserved for very special cars.

I think your smart to have it inspected and appraised.  My guess is the appraisal will not be close to the asking price.

Thanks!!  Very helpful.

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2018, 01:45:14 pm »
I'll post the written inspection when I receive it next week.  Hopefully, I can get additional feedback from this group with the additional info.

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2018, 02:00:05 pm »
I guess I should also add that if anyone knows of a similar car, please feel free to message me.  I'm looking for:

1969 CJ (or SCJ but don't really need to spend the extra $ on SCJ)
prefer manual
prefer LSD
must be numbers matching block (prefer drivetrain and original rear end as well)
Prefer GT but Mach 1 OK
Prefer Royal Maroon, Candy Apple Red, Indian Fire Red, or black

Thanks to all!

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2018, 02:36:43 pm »
plenty of good cars on the market right now well below 90K.........like 55-65K

agree with comments others have posted....
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2018, 03:07:32 pm »
The numbers on the head are different than block in your above pic. Looks like the paint chipped out of the block numbers when it was stamped.
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2018, 04:03:38 pm »
Since the seller is claiming matching numbers be sure to check the casting date on the engine block to see if it is in line with the car's build date.  If not then you will know that there is some deception going on with respect to the partial VIN stamping on the block.

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2018, 04:16:27 pm »
Since the seller is claiming matching numbers be sure to check the casting date on the engine block to see if it is in line with the car's build date.  If not then you will know that there is some deception going on with respect to the partial VIN stamping on the block.

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2018, 04:24:30 pm »
Leave it to Kerry to spot the fly in the ointment.   
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2018, 04:26:16 pm »
Here is what the factory partial VIN stampings usually look like.  Notice the significant vertical staggering and the tighter spacing between the numbers/letters.  Not saying that the stamp on the car in question is fake but the spacing and neatness of it don't look like any original stamping that I have seen.  Maybe someone on this forum has a '69 San Jose built car built around the same time?  To compare partial VIN stampings.   

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2018, 07:15:35 pm »
Looking at the radiator on the passenger side is that a soldered on part number tag ?
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2018, 07:40:56 pm »
The top of the fender apron on the driver side has had a poor repair. You can see the witness lines and it appears sunken and the size of a silver dollar. There are 4 of these prone areas one on each side of the shock on each side. If you stick around we can spend your money way better than that. You should be seeing high end survivor cars with extensive paperwork or restored cars with credentials for a Red automatic 69. Need rarer or better car for 90K
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