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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2018, 08:04:17 pm »
Here is one on the SAAC forum
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2018, 08:46:53 pm »
Kerry hit the nail on the head. 

When an object of beauty is proffered for consideration everybody to one extent or another is blinded by the outward physical appearance and fails to perform the required due diligence.  Wife's husbands homes boats cars and future step children are included in this category.

If a high level of due diligence is done by a person desiring to own a Cobra Jet Mustang, he or she would be flying around the country inspecting cars and would likely never buy one and at some point would simply give up the chase.

In my opinion, honest muscle cars are rarely for sale on the open market.  Honest muscle cars have a private following and are sold or traded away on the cuff to a friend or acquaintance.

Car dealers have existing well heeled customers that would trade up or purchase outright a gem on a phone call, the terms of the sale hidden from view with the exception of cars from a known collection sold at an estate auction.

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2018, 10:11:07 pm »
The top of the fender apron on the driver side has had a poor repair. You can see the witness lines and it appears sunken and the size of a silver dollar. There are 4 of these prone areas one on each side of the shock on each side. If you stick around we can spend your money way better than that. You should be seeing high end survivor cars with extensive paperwork or restored cars with credentials for a Red automatic 69. Need rarer or better car for 90K

Sorry I meant passenger side on that spot but the drivers side is a sculpture as well while we're there.
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2018, 10:19:52 pm »
     Put this one on the back burner. I honestly think that patience for a few months. That a more realistic car will show up here on the forum for a considerably lower price.
     Just because the dealer makes these big claims, doesn't mean they are the truth or that he knows how to tell fact from fiction. Spend some time in the cars for sale part of this forum. It may not have the car that you want but you will see what kind of car your money will buy.
     Spend some time studying about casting dates/numbers & which correct parts that you should be seeing on a nice car. IMHO & I'm an internet nobody. This car is at least over priced or doesn't have a diligent restoration done on it. Good chance that BOTH statements are true. Hold your money tightly.
     Ah, Sportyworty is chiming in. His nitpicking at the common apron rust spot is right on. Not that hard to fix right. Just takes more time than most people trying to fix a car to flip & make a quick buck will spend.
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2018, 10:58:23 pm »
I have always made an effort to refrain from critiquing cars publicly. You never know why someone may need to sell and not everyone is into cars just to turn profit. This person came here for our help and has presented an example that is of interest for us to evaluate. That is good due diligence and worthy of an effort in turn.

Btw Stuart is hot and heavy for a rare machine, a 1 of 118 produced White Shaker car.  He posted the car link to SAAC above and the best advise of the day is to draft him because he will be turning up cars available out there until he lands the right one.




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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2018, 11:01:37 pm »
The numbers on the head are different than block in your above pic. Looks like the paint chipped out of the block numbers when it was stamped.

And what are numbers doing on the head? Give the time period and plant

In general see a nicer straight line of hand stamping at San Jose compared to the other two plants. We could discuss other details but not a good idea in a public setting IMHO

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2018, 11:11:42 pm »
I have not seen enough consistency at any one plant to call head vin vs block as correct or expected personally. I do see some majorities but have exceptions for every one. Same goes for neatness, spacing, etc. I am always looking for patterns as well and happy to compare notes as offered to you before on the dash screws
 
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2018, 11:17:49 pm »
I have not seen enough consistency at any one plant to call head vin vs block as correct or expected personally. I do see some majorities but have exceptions for every one. Same goes for neatness, spacing, etc. I am always looking for patterns as well and happy to compare notes as offered to you before on the dash screws

Seems like a project we need to get together on this coming year. Just have to figure out where to start

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Looking at this 428...
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2018, 12:11:38 am »
My car is 644 units later than this Candy Apple Red machine.

Interesting comparison:-

                                       9R110615           9R109971

Ordered                           8/07/68              9/27/68
Scheduled                       10/10/68             10/11/68
Actually Built                   11/14/68             10/22/68
Released                         11/14/68             10/24/68 
Sold                                11/27/68             10/31/68

What ever were they doing with my car over all that time, I wonder. The topic car was ordered a 51 days later, but still gets an earlier VIN and completion date.
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2018, 08:34:25 am »
The top of the fender apron on the driver side has had a poor repair. You can see the witness lines and it appears sunken and the size of a silver dollar. There are 4 of these prone areas one on each side of the shock on each side. If you stick around we can spend your money way better than that. You should be seeing high end survivor cars with extensive paperwork or restored cars with credentials for a Red automatic 69. Need rarer or better car for 90K

Thanks for the info. I will continue to look around. I’ve also gone ahead and let the seller know my starting price point for this car ($50-55k). I’ll keep everyone updated.

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2018, 09:11:28 am »
In my opinion, honest muscle cars are rarely for sale on the open market.  Honest muscle cars have a private following and are sold or traded away on the cuff to a friend or acquaintance.

Car dealers have existing well heeled customers that would trade up or purchase outright a gem on a phone call, the terms of the sale hidden from view with the exception of cars from a known collection sold at an estate auction.

Absolutely true.  The best cars rarely trade in a public forum.

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2018, 05:01:33 pm »
My car is 644 units later than this Candy Apple Red machine.

Interesting comparison:-

                                       9R110615           9R109971

Ordered                           8/07/68              9/27/68
Scheduled                       10/10/68             10/11/68
Actually Built                   11/14/68             10/22/68
Released                         11/14/68             10/24/68 
Sold                                11/27/68             10/31/68

What ever were they doing with my car over all that time, I wonder. The topic car was ordered a 51 days later, but still gets an earlier VIN and completion date.
FN

FN was your car ordered with a V or W rear gear code?  Or maybe a rare option?

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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2018, 06:17:37 pm »
I'll post the written inspection when I receive it next week.  Hopefully, I can get additional feedback from this group with the additional info.
Who's doing the written inspection? There are plenty ridiculous ones out there...90's, The car has to be near perfect.
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2018, 08:01:53 pm »
Eric, I PM'd you with a couple of cars I know of.  Not mine.
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Re: Looking at this 428...
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2018, 10:36:01 pm »
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The numbers on the head are different than block in your above pic. Looks like the paint chipped out of the block numbers when it was stamped.

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And what are numbers doing on the head? Give the time period and plant

In general see a nicer straight line of hand stamping at San Jose compared to the other two plants. We could discuss other details but not a good idea in a public setting IMHO


My question would be a bit simpler: Why would the VIN be stamped on both the block AND the heads?

Next question would be whether either matches the vehicle VIN.
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