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Twister Special on EBay engine restamped? Vin 0F05R118907
« on: January 31, 2019, 06:49:53 pm »
If I read the description correctly the owner is admitted to having a date coded block restamped  with the VIN to appear correct........

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Description
eBay item number:273680668215
Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing.
Item specifics
Condition:   Used   Year:   1970
VIN (Vehicle Identification Number):   0F05R118907   Mileage:   730
Transmission:   Automatic   Make:   Ford
Body Type:   Coupe   Model:   
Mustang
Warranty:   Unspecified   Trim:   Mach 1 Twister Special
Vehicle Title:   Clear   Engine:   428 Super Cobra Jet V8
Options:   --   Power Options:   --
Sub Model:   Mach 1 Twister Special   Fuel Type:   Gasoline
Exterior Color:   Orange   For Sale By:   Dealer
Interior Color:   Black



Yes, you're looking at a 1970 Ford Mustang Mach 1 that's a real-deal Twister Special. It's one of the rarest special edition first-gen Mustangs around – and this even has the big 428 CJ under the hood! So to find it well-documented and meticulously restored means you're looking at a rare opportunity to join pony car royalty.
 

 When you want rarity, performance, and envy all packed into a speedy classic, this is it. You're looking at oneof only 96 original Twister Special edition Mustangs, and one of only 48 that received the correct 428ci Cobra Jet motor. This kind of uniqueness is why they invested heavily to get this one looking and feeling like it's 1970 all over again. The car was given a multi-year complete rotisserie restoration so that the sheetmetal would be supper straight before the first drop of bold Grabber Orange was re-applied. And the brightwork is just as straight and shiny. The result is a fastback that loves to show off its curves as the light dances across the body. It's an award-worthy restoration, and this one even has the prizes to prove it! It's a true Mach 1, which means plenty of aggressively high-contrast dark details, including the chin spoiler, rocker panels, rear window louvers, and rear spoiler. Plus, the black Mach 1 stripe package does a great job of adding aggression with its well-integrated callouts and framing the shaker hood. But what will really make people flock to this one from across the show field are the special side stripes and rear fender logo exclusive to the Twister Special. Muscle car people know how special this unique package is.
 

 With less than 750 miles on this coupe since its full restoration, even the interior still feels like a fresh time capsule. While the Twister Special was built to be more of a performer than a coddler, the premium Mach 1 interior offers some nice extra luxuries like the center console and plenty of wood-like trim. And just like the exterior, they took the time to get the details right. So the high-back bucket seat feels plush, the trunk has the correct space-saver kit, and even the AM radio is still cranking out tunes!
 

 This pony was born with the ultra-desirable R-code 428 cubic-inch Cobra Jet motor. The detailed photo book will show you this car need a new heart when it was being resorted. So a date-correct block was sourced, it was completely rebuilt, and then re-stamped to coordinate with the VIN. That kind of detail work meant they took their time to get everything else looking amazing, too. Glossy paint, correct decals, and even factory-style markings remind you the engine bay can win awards all on its own. And its clean and correct attitude continues as you look at the undercarriage photos. This kind of fresh nut-and-bolt restoration not only looks fantastic, but it's also exactly the kind of solid construction you want on a high-performance machine like this. After all, the Cobra Jet makes terrific power (especially with the Ram Air shaker and large four-barrel carburetor.) And this connects with a strong C6 three-speed automatic transmission feeding the upgraded suspension that includes a Drag Pack with a 3.91 limited-slip rear end. Power steering, front disc brakes, and even Goodyear Polyglas were all part of this when original, so you all still see it here today.
 

 A car this special needs the right paperwork. So the sale comes with a copy of the buildsheet, reproduction window sticker, and a restoration photo book. Rarely do you get a chance at a 428 Twister Special, this level of quality might just be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. So if you demand the best, call today!
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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2019, 06:58:12 pm »
     At least honest for this sale. I wonder just how carefully & lovingly they stamped the Vin? I bet its perfect!
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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2019, 07:50:02 pm »
     At least honest for this sale...

That's the trouble with any sort of restamp.  No matter how honest the original seller who stamped it, it will eventually be used to deceive someone...

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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2019, 10:02:27 pm »
If the block is date coded it still coincides with production. My Shelby never came with a vin on the block. They are based on date of production as to make a call on originality. No shortage of 428's that threw rods from oil starvation before Ford issued the TSB to add the quart and a dipstick.  It's not like it's a re-body. There in is a HUGE issue.
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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2019, 10:39:36 pm »
     I've said before. The higher the value that gets placed on original parts. The more magic you'll see happening. I don't have the answer.
     How has the Corvette community dealt with this issue? The early RS Camaro guys, same problem.
     Frankly, having had a 45+ year career in manufacturing. Hobbies that entail investment casting at home. I'm a bit surprised that there isn't more fake parts floating around. JMHO
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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2019, 11:14:02 pm »
Agreed. We are starting to see some.  The Shelby guys with a 289 HIPO have to deal with the VIN on the block. Starting the '68 model year the VIN was required to be stamped by federal law.

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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2019, 06:09:40 am »
Once a car has been fully restored I'm not sure why we obsess over the engine block when almost evertyhing else on the car could have been replaced.  Restorers will go to great lengths to make sure every other detail is as close to perfect as possible - why would you fault them for making the engine block perfect too?  We've seen restamped distributors, fuel pumps, SCJ flex fans, etc.  Personally, I find that more offensive than taking an otherwise correct engine block and adding the VIN.  If I'm looking at an unrestored car then "all original" is going to help with the value.  The value of a fully restored car is much more dependent on the quality of the restoration and how "correct" it is vs. whether the VIN has been restamped.  Right, wrong or otherwise - I would assume it has been and evaluate the car against the hundreds of other criteria that are probably way more important.

As they say - caveat emptor.

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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2019, 11:23:11 am »
Boys,
Hope I'm not the bearer of bad news: according to Federal law, anyone who 'alters, tampers, removes/replaces a VIN is considered a felony' That said, would this apply to re-stampng a VIN on an engine, trans or just a body panel/frame?
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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2019, 02:15:54 pm »
In California, it's illegal to alter ANY vehicle identification number (VIN) on a vehicle.  However, if you're restoring your original VIN you're not in violation.  Misdemeanor. 
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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2019, 03:42:01 pm »
     I don't see how it could be called a Vin. It's a partial Vin at best. Usually not very readable either. I think from a DMV point of view that you're very safe.
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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2019, 04:51:09 pm »
     I don't see how it could be called a Vin. It's a partial Vin at best. Usually not very readable either. I think from a DMV point of view that you're very safe.

I'm pretty sure that the Feds aren't going to come after you, but adding/altering the "unofficial" VIN stamps, such as on the engine and transmission, could land you in civil court if a buyer decides that you've defrauded them by misrepresenting the part/vehicle ...

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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2019, 05:15:47 pm »
I'm pretty sure that the Feds aren't going to come after you, but adding/altering the "unofficial" VIN stamps, such as on the engine and transmission, could land you in civil court if a buyer decides that you've defrauded them by misrepresenting the part/vehicle ...
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I agree - and that goes for any of the trick parts on the car, not just the engine block.  These cars can be worth good money and unfortunately there are some bad actors out there.  With that said, it's remarkably easy to ask a seller to attest in writing that the parts are all correct, unmolested (other than being cosmetically restored) and original to the car.  My experience is the overwhelming majority of seller's back off on claims very quickly when asked to attest in writing.  In the case of the car referenced by the OP, the seller did in fact disclose it's a NOM.  What more do you want them to do?

It's the buyer's of these cars (us) that have created this mystique around "numbers matching."  For some reason we've let the Corvette guys convince Ford guys that numbers matching makes a 50 year-old car worth substantially more.  What's more valuable, a restored SCJ car with a verified numbers matching block/transmission with a known replacement carb, snorkel, air cleaner, fuel pump, fan and oil cooler -or- a restored car with everything being original/correct but the block (and that block happens to be the correct date code)?
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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2019, 05:33:10 pm »
     I don't see how it could be called a Vin. It's a partial Vin at best. Usually not very readable either. I think from a DMV point of view that you're very safe.
I'm pretty sure that the Feds aren't going to come after you, but adding/altering the "unofficial" VIN stamps, such as on the engine and transmission, could land you in civil court if a buyer decides that you've defrauded them by misrepresenting the part/vehicle ...
     The civil side of the down side is tied to the high values of the cars. Buyers that have a $100K of fun money likely have the money to hire an attorney to beat up a hapless schumck seller. I can envision some moneyed person beating a rebate out of a seller claiming he was decieved. If it hasn't already happened.
     I'm guessing that there isn't an "as is" disclaimer that some attorney wouldn't argue against.
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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2019, 05:34:15 pm »
Not trying to stir the pot (read have been away from SCJ's for a while).......BUT "I THOUGHT" that the partial VIN was commonly on the heads of FE's (rather than block like on Cleveland and 429's)!

So seeing this guy STAMPED the block , I would ask should it even be stamped ????

I find this story interesting in that I choose to DISCLAIM that I got my SCJ without the motor (there was a 351C in place)   and though I went to great lengths to get not only all Ford parts for the build but also date code correct parts to the entire build.   I NEVER PLANNED on stamping as I KNEW the story and shared it with all.

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Re: Twister Special on EBay engine restamped?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2019, 05:51:34 pm »
X2 as to what CrossBoss said. I owned a Twister Special with a 351 Clevland in it. I bought it with the wrong motor, I found a correct dated 351, 4v motor. I sold my Twister about 5 years ago, it went thru the Mecumn Auction in Kansas City. The owner stated that the motor was not orginal but the correct date. I would rather buy a car with info like that than somebody telling you the vin had been restamped. The orginal description of the Twister is mentioned as being a "coupe" in this first post. That statement should be enough to scare anybody away.